More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Fruit)

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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by Sean Evans » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:30 am

Ovyron wrote:
Sean Evans wrote:Sean Evans <----My Real Name!
What does the real name of someone has to do with anything, attacking someone because he uses a nick seems like an ad hominem attack.
This statement from yet another anonymous troll :evil:

Cordially,

Sean Evans <---- Still my real name!

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Post by BB+ » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:54 am

There are also more substantial "Rybka-specific" things like how repetition is pre-detected, and the use of the "positional-gain" table.
Another one that could be added here is the use (and a few of the specifics) of the "exclude move" search to determine singular moves, though as the original report noted (section 8.5.2), IPPOLIT takes a different tack in deciding how to extend (e.g. R3 always extends by whole ply increments, while IPPOLIT allows half-ply additions to occur).

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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by BB+ » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:58 am

As my R3/IPPOLIT report seems to be being used in the kangaroo courts of TalkChess, perhaps I should comment:
I didn't exactly mean "kangaroo courts" as derogatory here, just merely that they were "extra-legal" and so of little real value to some extent.

For some reason, there seems to be a whole thread about me (or at least my nickname :lol: ).
I think its funny that "BB" chooses to read this forum and quote this forum and yet answer elsewhere [...]we certainly welcome him to feel free to post here
See "history of censorship" at TalkChess. I have no desire to have expression of my views be totally dependent (not only in theory, but provably in practise) on the whims of moderators, and further have a Charter that explicitly prohibits me any recourse. [I happen to think that "Steve B" (yes, I know his real name, though at least from Jul 2006 real names are "expected") is quite a good moderator, but TalkChess seems to be perpetually "one misbegotten election" from despotism].
Larry Kaufman and Zach Wegner have met him and can vouch for his authenticity.
I don't think I have ever met Larry Kaufman. [I'm also not quite sure what makes a person "authentic" as it were].
My only criticism of BB is that he is a chronic hedger.
I agree that I (overly) often avoid coming to a conclusion, as my first purpose is to lay out the facts, and let others draw conclusions. There's also the fact that I occasionally get quoted (both in/out of context) for quasi-political purposes and/or hyperbole, and frequently need to present additional nuance.

My main problem with the whole debate is that imprecision still rules the day -- for instance, Don Dailey states (quite reasonably in the context): "On the other hand, taking something that is clearly open source and using it seems to be viewed as even MORE reprehensible [than reverse engineering]" -- now what does "using it" mean here? Are we talking merely of "ideas", or of using it as "code" (the latter of which is grossly unethical with respect to the GPL, and likely illegal)? [I might add that, in my own line of work, I have met some who actually think it is unethical to take even "ideas" from open source software, their argument being that the purposes of open source are to allow code-sharing with other open source projects and to allow end-users to modify the code for various reasons, but not to provide the intellectual property therein for "commercial" purposes].
I don't know why he does not publish his name. I do think it would be better if he did
Perhaps I know history too well. When you know who someone is, it is easier to attack him/her [or merely some facet therein], rather than engage thought. For instance, Felix at the Rybka forum occasionally gets random slurs regarding the history of the National Socialist party thrown at him, which seems quite out of line, but if you're angry at him and recall he's German (made easier via the ip-address-based flags provided by the forum software), well, men are not known to restrain their passions. Internet arguments have been known to spiral much out of control. I've seen cases where employers have been contacted, and as many middle managers are weak-spined, they cave in and let off-job blog comments on an unpopular subject trump consideration of job performance. Finally, as a scientist, I've seen questions of person/status frequently become overly relevant due to political considerations. It's just easier to avoid such problems when I can.

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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by stvs » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:34 am

"Hey, Anonymous troll, be a man and post under your real name if you want any respect!"

also to "be a man" u should learn to show ur real name in net forums,i think another one innovated idea (from high IQ ppl): how u can be a "real man" :D did u know it? :lol:

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Post by Jeremy Bernstein » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:23 pm

stvs wrote:"Hey, Anonymous troll, be a man and post under your real name if you want any respect!"

also to "be a man" u should learn to show ur real name in net forums,i think another one innovated idea (from high IQ ppl): how u can be a "real man" :D did u know it? :lol:
The self-purifying power of an open, uncensored forum seems to be working. Nevertheless, it might be a good moment to reiterate that personal attacks aren't welcome here.

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Post by stvs » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:26 pm

i agree jeremy but u shoud did this long time a go when mr sean insulted like machine gun many users here with words like "troll","liar"
"be a man and show ur real name" and so on....

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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by Jeremy Bernstein » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:54 pm

stvs wrote:i agree jeremy but u shoud did this long time a go when mr sean insulted like machine gun many users here with words like "troll","liar"
"be a man and show ur real name" and so on....
My note was directed at Sean, not at you. But let's just drop it now...

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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by Sean Evans » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:23 pm

Jeremy Bernstein wrote:
stvs wrote:i agree jeremy but u shoud did this long time a go when mr sean insulted like machine gun many users here with words like "troll","liar"
"be a man and show ur real name" and so on....
My note was directed at Sean, not at you. But let's just drop it now...
Jeremy don't be a dick. If you want to be the dictator for life of your own private message board, then you can have it. Letting posters hide behind bullshit fake names that is up to you. Do you think it is fair that a professional computer chess programmer should have to defend themselves on a public forum from posters that don't have the balls to post using their real names? Jeremy WAKE UP! Your personal forum is turning into a toilet bowl for limp-dicked trolls.

Let me know when you change the rules and I *might* come back!!

Bye.

Sean

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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by kingliveson » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:41 pm

Sean Evans wrote: Jeremy don't be a dick. If you want to be the dictator for life of your own private message board, then you can have it. Letting posters hide behind bullshit fake names that is up to you. Do you think it is fair that a professional computer chess programmer should have to defend themselves on a public forum from posters that don't have the balls to post using their real names? Jeremy WAKE UP! Your personal forum is turning into a toilet bowl for limp-dicked trolls.

Let me know when you change the rules and I *might* come back!!

Bye.

Sean
Quite a funny character! And how do you supposed the verification process be done -- should Graham B. Chris C. and Derek J. be employed? Have they called your office in Mozambique in addition to tracing your IP address to confirm truly that you are an African as you say you are? Stop with the nonsense already; this is an internet forum.
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Re: More on Rybka/IPPOLIT (with occasional reference to Frui

Post by thorstenczub » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:50 pm

ignore the troll.

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