New EN-Settings for FIRE 1.1

[Eduard Nemeth]

Here are my newest settings for FIRE (FireBird) 1.1 (No 1.2 and no 1.3 and no 1.31)!

[OPTIONS]
Pawn Hash=64
Max Threads=2 ( --> Important: Please set here the exactly number of your CPU's or your Cores)
Pawn Value=107
Knight Value=330
Bishop Value=325
Rook Value=495
Queen Value=990
Bishop Pair Value=48
Verification Reduction=8
Analysis Mode=true
Extra Info=true

ED.

PS: In my tests with this settings, FIRE 1.1 played against Rybka 4 very strong, and up egual level with Houdini 1.03a!!

[Eduard Nemeth]

BTW (sorry), "Bishop Value=325" is a default parameter. Please delete it in the setting "OPTIONS".

But yes, Knight Value=330 is new (higher number then for the bishop). All others settings are new to!

Have fun!

ED.

[michael13]

sir sorry i don,t get it i have to delete the bishopvalue?? plse be clear what new value shout i put for the bishop then????

[Eduard Nemeth]

sir sorry i don,t get it i have to delete the bishopvalue?? plse be clear what new value shout i put for the bishop then????

Bishop Value=325 (=default engine setting).

ED.

[Hood]

Hi,
that settings has been tested vs Rybka & Houdini or against more engines ?

Rgds
Hood

[Eduard Nemeth]

Tested by me against only Deep Rybka 4 (with a very well result) and against Houdini 1.03a.

Both tests with permanent brain. The test against Houdini 1.03a is not finished, played are at moment 36 from 120 games (with the 60 variations from the "new rating list"). Result at moment:

Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz, Blitz:3' 0
GUI Fritz 10
Hash 128 MB, 128 MB
PB on
Endgame Databases, EGTB's only GUI
Both engines with only 1 core

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1   Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU +39       ½1½0½10½½½½½½1½½½1011½½½½½½½½1½½½½½½  20.0/36
2   FireBird 1.1 w32 (EN-Setting) -39 ½0½1½01½½½½½½0½½½0100½½½½½½½½0½½½½½½  16.0/36

We will see how will be the result after 120 games? It looks at the moment, that Houdini on level 3m + 0s, is a little stronger. I have only 1 PC for all what I do. --> I hope that I can run the next all games in the next days.

ED.

[Hood]

Thank you for the answer.

The reason for the question was Knight value settings > then Bishop. If it would work against more engines it will be the new big fact for the K vs B value discussion.

If i remember good in CM6000 only the personality Lasker has had Knight value > Bishop.

Rgds Hood.

[Eduard Nemeth]

New result now after 58 from 120 games (60 variants of the new rating list):

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Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz, Blitz:3'  0

1   Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU  +9/-6/=43 52.59%   30.5/58
2   FireBird 1.1 w32         +6/-9/=43 47.41%   27.5/58

ED.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

New result now after 58 from 120 games (60 variants of the new rating list):

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Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz, Blitz:3'  0

1   Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU  +9/-6/=43 52.59%   30.5/58
2   FireBird 1.1 w32         +6/-9/=43 47.41%   27.5/58

ED.

a very good result for now,we'll see later....
It would be great if you rise the number of games to 200....
Dr.D

[Eduard Nemeth]

It will played 120 games, then the "new rating list" testsuite have 60 variants with 120 games for one match.

Currently standing after 80 games:

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Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz, Blitz:3'  0

1   Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU  +17/-12/=51 53.13%   42.5/80
2   FireBird 1.1 w32         +12/-17/=51 46.88%   37.5/80

As example here are the last two games 79 and 80 (variant 40):

[Event "Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz, Blitz:3'"]
[Site "Privat"]
[Date "2010.09.20"]
[Round "79"]
[White "FireBird 1.1 w32"]
[Black "Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D15"]
[Annotator "0.00;-0.01"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[TimeControl "180"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz 2660 MHz W=16.0 ply; 981kN/s
B=17.3 ply; 1.230kN/s} 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 a6 5. e3 b5 6. c5 g6
7. Ne5 Bg7 8. Be2 O-O {Beide letzter Buchzug} 9. h4 {0.00/14 4} Be6 {
(Sfd7) -0.01/16 5} 10. h5 {0.00/15 4} Qc7 {0.02/15 3} 11. hxg6 {0.00/15 0} hxg6
{(fxg6) 0.03/16 4} 12. Nd3 {(Sf3) -0.01/15 3} Bf5 {(Sbd7) -0.02/16 6} 13. g4 {
0.00/15 4} Bxd3 {0.01/16 0} 14. Bxd3 {0.08/15 10} e5 {0.06/19 0} 15. g5 {
0.02/15 2} Nh5 {(Sh7) 0.07/17 1} 16. Rxh5 {0.11/15 3} gxh5 {0.08/17 3} 17. Qxh5
{0.27/15 0} Re8 {0.14/17 5} 18. Ne2 {0.22/16 0} e4 {0.18/17 4} 19. Bc2 {
0.46/17 0} a5 {(Dd8) 0.26/17 7} 20. Ng3 {0.38/15 2} Na6 {0.23/16 2} 21. a3 {
0.41/16 6} b4 {0.24/18 0} 22. Nf5 {0.38/15 3} Qd7 {0.24/16 1} 23. Qg4 {
0.38/15 8} Ra7 {0.22/16 0} 24. f3 {(Df4) 0.49/14 12} Qe6 {(bxa3) 0.29/14 3} 25.
fxe4 {0.58/14 3} bxa3 {0.30/16 0} 26. Rxa3 {(bxa3) 0.61/15 4} Nb4 {0.38/15 3}
27. exd5 {0.61/16 0} Nxc2+ {(Dxd5) 0.44/15 4} 28. Kd1 {(Kd2) 0.63/16 3} Qxd5 {
0.31/15 4} 29. Kxc2 {0.63/17 0} Qc4+ {(De6) 0.43/16 14} 30. Kb1 {0.63/15 3} Qe6
{0.40/18 0} 31. Qf3 {0.51/15 6} Bf8 {0.36/18 0} 32. Ng3 {0.44/15 3} a4 {
0.38/17 0} 33. Nh5 {0.48/15 2} Bg7 {0.34/16 1} 34. Nf4 {0.52/15 1} Qf5+ {
0.29/16 1} 35. Ka1 {(Ka2) 0.46/16 1} Rb8 {(De4) 0.24/16 3} 36. g6 {0.26/13 2}
fxg6 {(Tb3) 0.10/17 1} 37. Qxc6 {0.73/13 2} Qc2 {(g5) 0.10/18 1} 38. Qd5+ {
(Sd3) 0.00/14 3} Kh8 {(Kh7) 0.00/17 3} 39. Nd3 {(Dh1+) 0.00/17 3} Rb3 {
0.00/17 2} 40. Qe4 {0.00/19 0} Rab7 {(Kh7) 0.00/16 2} 41. Rxb3 {0.00/14 2} Rxb3
{0.00/19 0} 42. Qa8+ {(Dh1+) 0.00/19 2} Kh7 {Remis angenommen 0.00/18 0}
1/2-1/2

[Event "Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz, Blitz:3'"]
[Site "Privat"]
[Date "2010.09.20"]
[Round "80"]
[White "Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU"]
[Black "FireBird 1.1 w32"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D15"]
[Annotator "0.02;0.00"]
[PlyCount "238"]
[TimeControl "180"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz 2660 MHz W=22.5 ply; 1.557kN/
s B=22.4 ply; 1.184kN/s} 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 a6 5. e3 b5 6. c5
g6 7. Ne5 Bg7 8. Be2 O-O {Beide letzter Buchzug} 9. O-O {0.02/15 8} Qc7 {
0.00/15 5} 10. f4 {0.03/16 1} a5 {(Le6) 0.04/14 7} 11. a3 {(Ld2) 0.13/17 7} Be6
{0.11/15 4} 12. Bd3 {0.13/17 1} Nbd7 {0.12/14 4} 13. Bd2 {0.13/16 0} Rfe8 {
(a4) 0.13/14 4} 14. Qc2 {(Df3) 0.19/15 3} Ng4 {(a4) 0.23/13 3} 15. Ne2 {
(Sf3) 0.21/15 6} Nh6 {(a4) 0.22/15 3} 16. h3 {(Sf3) 0.27/16 10} a4 {0.27/15 4}
17. g4 {0.24/17 0} f5 {0.34/15 3} 18. g5 {0.21/18 2} Nf7 {0.32/17 5} 19. Nf3 {
0.21/18 2} h5 {0.35/16 0} 20. Rfb1 {(Sh4) 0.21/17 4} Nd8 {(Teb8) 0.24/16 2} 21.
b3 {(Td1) 0.22/16 4} Nf7 {(axb3) 0.32/14 4} 22. bxa4 {(b4) 0.50/15 4} Rxa4 {
0.70/15 3} 23. Nc3 {0.53/17 0} Ra7 {0.76/16 6} 24. a4 {0.63/17 0} bxa4 {
(Tea8) 0.78/15 4} 25. Nxa4 {0.62/16 4} Raa8 {(Tea8) 0.84/15 0} 26. Be1 {
0.67/17 3} Rf8 {(Kh7) 0.85/16 0} 27. Rb4 {0.66/16 3} Rfb8 {(Tab8) 0.81/17 0}
28. Rab1 {(Txb8+) 0.66/17 3} Rxb4 {0.82/16 2} 29. Rxb4 {0.59/17 5} Bh8 {
(Sd8) 0.82/17 0} 30. Nb6 {(Kg2) 0.71/15 2} Rb8 {(Ta7) 0.92/13 3} 31. Qa4 {
(Sh4) 0.79/15 4} Rb7 {(Kh7) 0.92/13 2} 32. Na8 {(Tb1) 0.79/16 3} Rxb4 {
1.00/15 2} 33. Qxb4 {0.76/17 0} Qa7 {(Db8) 0.93/17 2} 34. Qa5 {(Sb6) 0.77/18 3}
Qb7 {1.04/16 2} 35. Nc7 {(Sb6) 0.76/17 2} Nd8 {1.10/16 2} 36. Nh4 {
(Sxd5) 0.76/16 0} Nf8 {1.12/16 3} 37. Nxd5 {0.83/16 0} Bxd5 {1.12/17 2} 38.
Qxd8 {0.84/19 0} Qb2 {(Kf7) 1.12/18 3} 39. Bf1 {0.80/17 2} Kf7 {1.12/19 0} 40.
Bg2 {0.82/18 2} Bxg2 {1.12/19 0} 41. Nxg2 {0.80/19 0} Qa2 {1.12/20 6} 42. d5 {
(Sh4) 1.06/19 3} Qxd5 {1.44/17 5} 43. Qxd5+ {1.07/22 0} cxd5 {1.43/19 3} 44. c6
{0.91/21 1} Ke8 {1.29/20 0} 45. Nh4 {(Lb4) 0.91/21 2} d4 {(Lb2) 1.33/18 2} 46.
Kf2 {0.91/18 0} dxe3+ {1.33/19 1} 47. Kxe3 {0.88/20 1} Bb2 {1.33/20 2} 48. c7 {
0.85/20 1} Kd7 {1.33/21 0} 49. Bb4 {0.85/21 0} Ne6 {1.32/20 1} 50. Nxg6 {
0.86/20 2} Nxc7 {1.32/20 0} 51. Nxe7 {0.86/20 0} Ke6 {1.32/20 2} 52. Ba5 {
0.86/20 0} Bc1+ {1.32/19 2} 53. Kf3 {0.86/21 0} Kxe7 {1.32/21 2} 54. Bxc7 {
0.85/23 0} Ba3 {1.32/22 1} 55. Ke2 {(Le5) 0.84/23 0} Kf7 {1.32/22 1} 56. Kd3 {
0.84/23 0} Kg6 {(Lc5) 1.32/22 1} 57. Kc4 {(Kd4) 0.84/24 2} Bf8 {(Lc1) 1.32/23 2
} 58. Be5 {(Kd4) 0.84/24 2} Be7 {1.32/23 2} 59. Kd5 {0.84/24 0} Ba3 {
(Lb4) 1.32/23 2} 60. Ke6 {(Lf6) 0.84/25 2} Bb4 {(Lc1) 1.32/24 1} 61. Bd6 {
0.84/25 2} Be1 {(Lc3) 1.32/25 0} 62. Bb8 {(Kd5) 0.84/25 2} Bd2 {(Lf2) 1.32/24 2
} 63. Bc7 {(Kd5) 0.84/25 2} Bc3 {(Le1) 1.32/25 2} 64. Kd7 {(Kd5) 0.84/25 2} Kf7
{(Ld2) 1.32/22 1} 65. Be5 {(Ld6) 0.84/23 2} Bd2 {(Lb4) 1.32/22 1} 66. Kc6 {
0.84/23 1} Be3 {(Kg6) 1.32/24 0} 67. Kd5 {0.84/23 2} Bb6 {(Kg6) 1.32/24 0} 68.
Bd6 {0.84/23 1} Kg6 {1.32/25 0} 69. Ke5 {(Lb8) 0.84/24 1} h4 {(La5) 1.32/25 2}
70. Ke6 {(Lb8) 0.84/25 1} Bf2 {(La7) 1.32/25 1} 71. Bc7 {(Kd5) 0.84/25 1} Be3 {
(Le1) 1.32/25 1} 72. Ke5 {(Kd5) 0.84/25 1} Ba7 {(Lc5) 1.32/25 2} 73. Kd5 {
0.84/26 1} Be3 {(Lf2) 1.32/27 0} 74. Bd6 {(Lb8) 0.84/25 1} Bb6 {(Kf7) 1.32/25 1
} 75. Be5 {0.84/25 1} Be3 {(La7) 1.32/25 0} 76. Kc4 {(Lc7) 0.84/25 1} Bb6 {
(La7) 1.32/25 2} 77. Kd3 {(Ld6) 0.84/25 1} Kf7 {1.32/23 1} 78. Bb8 {
(Ke2) 0.84/25 2} Kg6 {1.32/24 1} 79. Kc4 {(Ke2) 0.84/27 0} Kf7 {(Ld8) 1.32/26 1
} 80. Bd6 {(Kd5) 0.84/26 1} Kg6 {1.32/25 1} 81. Kd3 {0.84/26 0} Ba5 {
(La7) 1.32/24 0} 82. Be5 {(Ke2) 0.84/26 1} Bb6 {(Kf7) 1.32/25 1} 83. Ke2 {
(Ld4) 0.84/26 1} Ba5 {(La7) 1.32/25 1} 84. Kf3 {0.84/26 1} Kh5 {1.32/26 0} 85.
Ke3 {(Ld6) 0.84/27 1} Bd8 {(Kg6) 1.32/26 1} 86. Kd4 {(Ld6) 0.84/26 1} Bb6+ {
(Kg6) 1.32/25 1} 87. Kd5 {(Kc3) 0.84/27 2} Kg6 {1.32/26 1} 88. Ke6 {
(Ld6) 0.84/26 1} Be3 {1.32/25 2} 89. Bb8 {(Lc7) 0.84/26 0} Bb6 {(Lc1) 1.32/26 1
} 90. Kd5 {0.84/27 2} Be3 {(Lf2) 1.32/27 0} 91. Bc7 {(Kc6) 0.84/25 2} Bd2 {
(Kf7) 1.32/26 1} 92. Ke5 {0.84/25 1} Be1 {(Lc3+) 1.32/26 0} 93. Bd6 {
(Ke6) 0.84/25 1} Bf2 {(Lc3+) 1.32/25 1} 94. Ke6 {(Kd5) 0.84/26 1} Be1 {
1.32/23 1} 95. Be5 {(Le7) 0.84/26 0} Bd2 {(Lf2) 1.32/25 1} 96. Bb8 {0.84/25 1}
Be1 {(Lc1) 1.32/27 0} 97. Kd6 {(Kd5) 0.84/26 1} Bf2 {1.32/26 1} 98. Kc6 {
0.84/26 0} Be3 {1.32/26 0} 99. Be5 {(Ld6) 0.84/26 1} Ba7 {(Kf7) 1.32/25 0} 100.
Kd6 {(Ld6) 0.84/25 1} Kf7 {(Le3) 1.32/24 1} 101. Kd5 {0.84/25 1} Bb6 {
(Kg6) 1.32/25 0} 102. Kc6 {(Lc3) 0.84/25 1} Be3 {1.32/24 1} 103. Bd6 {0.84/26 0
} Bd2 {(Kg6) 1.32/24 0} 104. Kc7 {(Kd5) 0.84/24 1} Be3 {(Kg6) 1.32/23 1} 105.
Kd8 {(Le5) 0.84/24 1} Bc1 {(Kg6) 1.32/24 1} 106. Kd7 {(Le5) 0.84/25 1} Kg6 {
1.32/26 1} 107. Bc7 {(Le5) 0.84/26 0} Bd2 {(Kf7) 1.32/25 1} 108. Be5 {
(Kc6) 0.84/24 5} Be3 {1.32/26 1} 109. Bb8 {(Ke8) 0.75/22 2} Kh5 {
(Lb6) 1.32/25 0} 110. Ke8 {(Ke6) 0.75/20 1} Kg6 {1.32/26 0} 111. Kd8 {
(Ke7) 0.65/19 2} Bf2 {(Lc1) 1.32/26 1} 112. Ke7 {(Kd7) 0.34/17 3} Kg7 {
(Lg3) 1.32/26 0} 113. Bd6 {(Le5+) 0.10/15 0} Be3 {(Lg3) 1.32/25 1} 114. Kd8 {
(Lc7) 0.10/19 0} Kg8 {(Lf2) 1.32/21 0} 115. Ke8 {(Le5) 0.10/19 0} Kg7 {
1.32/24 0} 116. Bc7 {(Le5+) 0.10/21 1} Kg6 {(Lf2) 1.32/26 0} 117. Bb8 {
(Ld6) 0.00/21 0} Bc1 {(Lf2) 1.32/25 0} 118. Be5 {(Ld6) 0.00/23 0} Bd2 {
(La3) 0.00/21 0} 119. Ke7 {0.00/22 0} Bb4+ {Remis angenommen 0.00/27 0} 1/2-1/2

Both engines of course with only one core (see over in this thread).
I saw some games, and in my opinion 3 + 0 is not a optimal test. Better is 5m + 3s,
but I have no resouces with my PC (I have only 1 PC) for a such long match with 120 games.

ED.