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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:19 am

UPDATE

HCan 170125 book's games are replayed,
Reason, yesterday played with no book..

But today, Hcan 170125 played with correct one,
So Top Books points are now slightly increased:

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Experience (overall) 735.5/1470
1 DynamicS            110.0/210
2 OPTIMUS 2409        108.5/210
3 MegaTron RevA       105.5/210
4 DON 130125          105.0/210
5 HCan 170125         104.0/210
6 Esculapio           103.5/210
7 No Book              98.0/210
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/OhIjXSoY#3cVYt6tO6 ... uKteVb4px0


Meanwhile,
I am sorry for all this trouble, it's just my finger
Mistake... today I noticed it by myself..so later,
I've realized to re-run the test with correct book..
By the way, as far as I remember, a similar mistake,
I've made about 15 years ago, in old Rybka days..
Sure (with correct one) I re-played those games too,
And a great record, yeah ?) You see, a long period
That all went flawlessly..but no 100% guaranty for
Tomorrow..because we're all human and we make
Mistakes..I mean especially, if you work with many
Thousands of players and for so many years..but
Anyhow as most important (for accurate rankings):
We have to check regularly and more carefully...


Greetings

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Re: SedatChess

Post by ZamChess » Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:58 am

Thank you Sedat !

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:09 am

ZamChess wrote:
Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:58 am
Thank you Sedat !
My pleasure Zam )

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:26 am

UPDATE 2

Today another interesting idea is born,
Unofficial matches are coming very soon:
Depth4 2025 Vs Top opening books

What's New:
This time, Depth4 2025 will be played by JudaS++ 1.02,
Where as before, all Top books via Raubfish X48c3 SC,
Which is about 50 Elo weaker than JudaS 1.02 engine!

Meanwhile,
Any guess? who will be Winner now? personally I expect
Depth4 2025 to be Winner...as we know, about 50 Elo is
Very serious advantage..a few examples, something like:
You play via Bullet TC, where your opponent with Slow TC
Or as other good example, your book/engine play Vs much
Faster hardware than yours...and just imagine how the
Top opening books will be under BIG disadvantage cond.
But just for fun..moreover, I am looking a way, how to
Increase, to improve the strength of Deepth4.. since
Deeds favorite lines suffer much in all older tours!
In other words, I am doing my best, Depth4 to win..)
And we will see..all this mystery will be solved soon..

By the way, for anyone mşssed and interested:
Here are previous played Duel official results,
Depth4 2025 book is played via 20+ Elo advantage:
Eman 8.40, but Top books played via Raubfish SC!

And despite...Top Books performed 18+ Elo better
No comments here, exc. Incredible performance by Top books, right?

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1 Top Books    +46/-25/=329 52.63%  210.5/400
2 Depth4 2025  +25/-46/=329 47.38%  189.5/400
And without to not mention this I can't as well:
In case.. if the Top books will be Winner again,
I'm pretty sure that Deeds will blame again...
But no problem..actually picture so clear..
And I'll leave to chess community to decide..
But anyhow it's absurd..you will play with 20+ Elo..
Edge..And you will blame others..such shameless
Record is never seen before...very pity really..

On other hand,
What I can do more for Deeds? via 20+ Elo
Advantage (via Eman 8.40) his lines are lost badly
minus 18 Elo worse...now I give 50 Elo..
And this is as 1st time, in Duels.. to give so
Much advantage, edge...more I can't sorry )

And please stay tuned..this great handicapped
Duel event will be organized soon as possible...

Wishing good luck too all

Have fun )

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:19 am

UPDATE 2

I am pleased to announce,
One of SCCT's most handicapped Duel is started!

And what is going on so far? really this can't be true..even about 50 Elo
Edge..Depth4 2015 can not take the lead...but let's see in next rounds...

Btw, perhaps we need 100+ Elo edge (for Depth4 2005's book) ?)
And just only then Depth4 2025 will start to perform over than 50% win. perc. ?

And here are the 1st played LIVE results/standings:

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Depth4 2015                    -3      21     116   49.6%   88.8% 
   1 OPTIMUS 2409                   39      51      18   55.6%   88.9% 
   2 DON 130125                     35      46      20   55.0%   90.0% 
   3 DynamicS                       17      33      20   52.5%   95.0% 
   4 Esculapio                       0       0      19   50.0%  100.0% 
   5 HCan 170125                   -33      44      21   45.2%   90.5% 
   6 MegaTron RevA                 -39      94      18   44.4%   66.7% 

116 of 420 games finished.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:23 pm

Breaking News:

Unofficial Duel ended, Congrats to All!

Really amazing..unbelievable..great record for sure!
To play with BIG disadvantages....and despite to win!

Yes..Top books played with about 50 Elo weaker engine,
But final score: 11+ Elo in favor for them (Top books)!

Individual Statistics: OPTIMUS 2409 is performed as best !
Actually almost all Top books are performed so good too!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Depth4 2025                   -11      12     420   48.5%   87.9% 
   1 OPTIMUS 2409                   30      30      70   54.3%   85.7% 
   2 DynamicS                       25      29      70   53.6%   87.1% 
   3 Esculapio                      10      27      70   51.4%   88.6% 
   4 DON 130125                      5      26      70   50.7%   90.0% 
   5 HCan 170125                     0      28      70   50.0%   88.6% 
   6 MegaTron RevA                  -5      29      70   49.3%   87.1% 

420 of 420 games finished.
Overall standings, 11+ Elo, Draw Ratio 88%

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1 Top Books    +32/-19/=369 51.55%  216.5/420
2 Depth4 2025  +19/-32/=369 48.45%  203.5/420
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/G4gRACBS#tf-NlITM1 ... 6u_4XAuDdA

More Details,
It is very clear that (at least according to results):
Depth4 2025's opening lines are pretty weak..even rather
I'd say mostly lines of Depth4 are rubbish, incompetent..
Proved not only via latest duel, plus in all other tours!
Yeah..Deeds may win on his PC..but how much is this true?
If you going to ask my opinion..it's a mystery..he prefers
Too bad lines, to show his EXP is great, but he forgets
On this planet, there are so many greater chess players!
And as I stated earlier...it's not end..all in Deeds hands,
But he needs urgently better ideas..here I hardly doubt..
And he will continue as before, with his cheap actions..
But not my problem at all!

Btw, not sure exactly... maybe in my next Duel matches,
I may use for Depth 2025: about 100+ Elo stronger engine
And who knows? maybe only then Depth4 will be Winner..?)

And as last words,
Who said that Deeds work is great? and Raubfish SC is bad?
Shame on them again and again...and just in case.. please
Stay far away from SCCT.. this will be as 'best' solution!
Thanks in advance, due I'm tired to be in contact, test etc
The work, which are belonging to these kind of brains too!
I'd prefer 2-3 authors but who owns 1 (one) face, not double!
Daily changeable characters are enough over long past years..

Thanks for reading and understanding!


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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:23 pm

UPDATE

NEW NEW NEW...

This time I set for all Top books 82+ Elo weaker engine:
Raubfish GTZ 25b where Depth4 2025 via JusaS 1.02 again!

And finely but no surprise that after many attempts:
Depth4 2025 (with so much edge: 82+ Elo) is started
To perform slightly better than 50% win. perc. :shock:

In same time that means, at least it's expecting to be so:
Depth4 should be about 80- Elo worse than Top books !!
And this is really so bad...one of the worst books! but again
And again I'm not responsible at all...I'm just a Creator,
No more, no less..if your shared own material is good,
My produced material will be good..if bad, will be bad!
There is no any other logical explanation of that..and
My used book creation method is same for all others too,
Which are participated in latest/ recent Onlike-Like CS!

On other hand, frankly just a few days ago:
I've expected much more from Depth4's used lines...
Since some clever guy/s praised his work a lot, but
SCCT is a hard League..not easy as it looks, right?

Here are FINAL Duel Unofficial Results II (in LIVE):
And despite on 82+ Elo huge edge, OPTIMUS, HCAN.. as beast!!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Depth4 2025                     6      13     420   50.8%   85.0% 
   1 OPTIMUS 2409                   15      22      70   52.1%   92.9% 
   2 HCan 170125                     5      35      70   50.7%   81.4% 
   3 Esculapio                       0      28      70   50.0%   88.6% 
   4 DynamicS                      -10      31      70   48.6%   85.7% 
   5 MegaTron RevA                 -20      36      70   47.1%   80.0% 
   6 DON 130125                    -25      35      70   46.4%   81.4% 

420 of 420 games finished.
GAMES (contains new strength games too):
https://mega.nz/file/HpQHFSDD#-cbsKOFWA ... XDzOKjH534

Meanwhile, I have some questions to all honest people:
Is there new NON-Deeds tours with many players + games?
Where the original Depth4 exp is already participated?
E.g let's say on same PC, Lichess, Playchess server..?
Due each time I see games but only on Deeds PC, hehe )
And he names his games not 'GUI moves' but Depth4... ))
In short, when he looses: GUI moves, when wins: Depth4
And this is not as joke..e.g in 2023 he proved to be so..

Btw, what kind of 'cherry picking' on same PC is that?
I've seen a lot, but such cheap way is never recorded..
Such as by same commercial author only to be tested..
And I can't imagine...if all paid products to be so..
Who knows? maybe this is right way? as Deeds method?

And it is very interesting to point out also that,
Deeds stays far away from updated Top players e.g DON,
1337chess, HCAN, Fauzi etc. which are commercial too!
Why? e.g Deeds prefers mainly bad, what about good?
Yes..so easy to win vs non-tuned, but what vs tuned?
In other words, here is the 'golden key' about all over!
That's why I say, Deeds work is even not in 2nd League..
Rather I'd say his file belongs to no any League, due
To be player in X League..1st, you have to be in! And
I think here a lot of valuable lessons but who cares?

Ok friends that's all for now, thanks for your interest )


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Re: SedatChess

Post by deeds » Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:44 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm
I will create a book, which will be tuned to prefer
Depth4 Exp Series, played in latest months of 2025!
As long as Sedat does not understand his mistakes*, we all pollute his topics with evidence that his Depth4 books don't represent my Depth4 EXP files :

In this position, the percentages of the Sedat's book should have been : e4 @ 35%, d4 @ 35%, Nf3 @ 30%
Image

DeeDs + collective of honest people.

*Sedat's mistakes :
- opening moves played by the GUI don't come from the EXP file
- at training, the moves are evaluated by the engine so they can be different than the moves contained in the EXP file
- at training, the learning feature allows the engine to try other moves than the bestmoves so training games contain engine's blunders
- training games don't represent the strength of an engine
- training games don't represent the accuracy of an EXP file
- books created from training games can't represent an EXP file
- the sole person responsible for the content of a book is its author
- EXP files (and opening books) have no strength (no ELO), they only are database

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Re: SedatChess

Post by deeds » Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:07 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm
I will create a book, which will be tuned to prefer
Depth4 Exp Series, played in latest months of 2025!
As long as Sedat does not understand his mistakes*, we all pollute his topics with evidence that his Depth4 books don't represent my Depth4 EXP files :

In this position, the percentages of the Sedat's book should have been : Nf3 @ 81%, Nc3 @ 13%, Bb5 @ 6%
Image

DeeDs + collective of honest people.

*Sedat's mistakes :
- opening moves played by the GUI don't come from the EXP file
- at training, the moves are evaluated by the engine so they can be different than the moves contained in the EXP file
- at training, the learning feature allows the engine to try other moves than the bestmoves so training games contain engine's blunders
- training games don't represent the strength of an engine
- training games don't represent the accuracy of an EXP file
- books created from training games can't represent an EXP file
- the sole person responsible for the content of a book is its author
- EXP files (and opening books) have no strength (no ELO), they only are database

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Re: SedatChess

Post by deeds » Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:12 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm
I will create a book, which will be tuned to prefer
Depth4 Exp Series, played in latest months of 2025!
As long as Sedat does not understand his mistakes*, we all pollute his topics with evidence that his Depth4 books don't represent my Depth4 EXP files :

In this position, the percentages of the Sedat's book should have been : c4 @ 70%, Nf3 @ 10%, a3 @ 10%, Bg5 @ 10%
Image

DeeDs + collective of honest people.

*Sedat's mistakes :
- opening moves played by the GUI don't come from the EXP file
- at training, the moves are evaluated by the engine so they can be different than the moves contained in the EXP file
- at training, the learning feature allows the engine to try other moves than the bestmoves so training games contain engine's blunders
- training games don't represent the strength of an engine
- training games don't represent the accuracy of an EXP file
- books created from training games can't represent an EXP file
- the sole person responsible for the content of a book is its author
- EXP files (and opening books) have no strength (no ELO), they only are database

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