SedatChess
Re: SedatChess
Great tour, thanks a lot!
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UPDATE 3
Here are the 1st official tourney results,
Where Troubadour is the current Leader!
My congratulation to Mr. Eduard Nemeth
Where StockfishPB engine is just behind..
Well-done to Mr. Anton Ces as well, due
To be on Top is not so easy as it looks !!
And on 3rd place, for right now CorChess!
Is this all luck..? not of course...because
Under SCCT cond. 'luck' plays less role...
if still not so clear, because usually here
Strength, strength.. says the 'last' word!
On the other hand, there is BIG fight...and
Let's see which monster will be next Champ?!
Meanwhile, unfortunately
It seems the latest SOLIDOR AI is weaker than all,
Really strange..e.g the older SOLIDOR is better..!
Note: SOLIDOR AI is Modern..AVX2 vers is crashed ..
Note also I downloaded it from MEGA site, which
Available/shared on Anton Ces's Telegram page
Here are the 1st official tourney results,
Where Troubadour is the current Leader!
My congratulation to Mr. Eduard Nemeth
Where StockfishPB engine is just behind..
Well-done to Mr. Anton Ces as well, due
To be on Top is not so easy as it looks !!
And on 3rd place, for right now CorChess!
Is this all luck..? not of course...because
Under SCCT cond. 'luck' plays less role...
if still not so clear, because usually here
Strength, strength.. says the 'last' word!
On the other hand, there is BIG fight...and
Let's see which monster will be next Champ?!
Meanwhile, unfortunately
It seems the latest SOLIDOR AI is weaker than all,
Really strange..e.g the older SOLIDOR is better..!
Note: SOLIDOR AI is Modern..AVX2 vers is crashed ..
Note also I downloaded it from MEGA site, which
Available/shared on Anton Ces's Telegram page
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 Troubadour 1.5a 27 12 404 53.8% 87.4%
2 StockfishPB 050225 26 11 404 53.7% 88.1%
3 Corchess 190125 22 13 402 53.1% 85.8%
4 SF-PB 221124 19 12 405 52.7% 86.2%
5 Stockfish 050225 14 11 404 52.0% 89.1%
6 SF-FAU 030225 11 12 403 51.6% 87.3%
7 Kookaburra 3.0 9 12 403 51.2% 88.1%
8 SF-PRO2 290125 6 12 404 50.9% 88.4%
9 Artemis 8 TR 4 11 402 50.6% 90.3%
10 Brainlearn 30 0 12 402 50.0% 88.1%
11 DON 3.5 -30 15 403 45.7% 80.9%
12 SOLIDOR AI -111 18 402 34.6% 68.2%
2419 of 6600 games finished.
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UPDATE 4
Interesting, currently we've 2 Leaders:
StockfishPB 050225 + Corchess 190125
Congratulations to A. Ces & I. Ivec !!
Note also that
SOLIDOR AI's games will be replayed with older SOLIDOR ver
Since tour target to include and test mainly 3800+ Elo ones !
In same time that means,
After SOLIDOR test.. the Champ will be cleared..
Interesting, currently we've 2 Leaders:
StockfishPB 050225 + Corchess 190125
Congratulations to A. Ces & I. Ivec !!
Note also that
SOLIDOR AI's games will be replayed with older SOLIDOR ver
Since tour target to include and test mainly 3800+ Elo ones !
In same time that means,
After SOLIDOR test.. the Champ will be cleared..
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 StockfishPB 050225 19 8 1039 52.7% 86.3%
2 Corchess 190125 19 8 1039 52.8% 86.9%
3 SF-FAU 030225 16 7 1040 52.4% 88.2%
4 Stockfish 050225 15 7 1040 52.2% 88.2%
5 SF-PB 221124 14 7 1038 52.0% 87.7%
6 SF-PRO2 290125 12 7 1039 51.7% 87.5%
7 Troubadour 1.5a 12 8 1040 51.7% 87.1%
8 Kookaburra 3.0 11 7 1036 51.6% 88.0%
9 Brainlearn 30 4 8 1036 50.6% 87.4%
10 Artemis 8 TR 2 7 1039 50.3% 89.4%
11 DON 3.5 -27 9 1039 46.2% 82.5%
12 SOLIDOR AI -102 11 1037 35.8% 68.3%
6231 of 6600 games finished.
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Re: SedatChess

Breaking News (12.02.2025):
Another series of 3800+ tours organized, congrats and many thanks to all!
Nowadays CorChess is unstoppable, a real beast for sure! I admit too that
Mostly of the current played engines are very close in strength each other...
As we see, even 3 (three) Top engines are managed to be ranked as 2nd.
What I can say more over, there is no any guaranty to be Number One, but
I believe in that via better ideas / techniques, why not you as next Champ?
However, please do not take too seriously the results..just fun tournament..
LX's Champion: CorChess - My Congratulations to I. Ivec, Stockfish team!
Note: Exactly same CorChess vers. is already several times Number One!
FOR FINAL STANDINGS, GAMES, DETAILS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-nn-cs-60
Greetings
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Re: SedatChess

Hello Chess Friends,
As usually, I am very pleased to announce,
Here is another new exciting CS, but this
Time some of players are belonging even to
1980's! And special thanks to Ed Schroder!
To be more clear,
There are 4 very old engines: Mephisto's MM5 by Ed Schroder,
The rest oldies: Amsterdam, Dallas and Roma by Richard Lang
And if I am not wrong, according to SSDF rating, they are rated
Minus plus 1800-2000 Elo points... Meanwhile, all of the above
Ancient chess engines have micro sizes, minus plus 50 KB !
And as alternative (which are newer but close in strength),
I have included also plus Elf, Loki, Gargamella and Kanguruh
E.g Elf (by Erdi Ata Bleda) has micro size too, just 33 KB!
Well and here are 1st played results:
The Current Leader: Dallas - Congrats to Richard Lang!
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 Dallas 32 bit 69 70 82 59.8% 17.1%
2 Amsterdam 47 73 82 56.7% 11.0%
3 Kanguruh 9.3 22 71 80 53.1% 16.3%
4 Roma 32 bit 13 69 78 51.9% 21.8%
5 Loki 1.02 -13 76 78 48.1% 6.4%
6 Elf 1.3.0 -34 70 82 45.1% 17.1%
7 Gargamella 0.5 -35 72 80 45.0% 12.5%
8 MM5 -72 73 78 39.7% 15.4%
320 of 2240 games finished.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130122070 ... phisto.htm
Note also that
There are more old engines out there, such as Rebel 5, Cray Blitz etc
But unfortunately some of them forfeits on time or not suitable for tours..
So I picked the ones which are more stable for game play (in tournaments)
And please stay tuned.. more updates soon..
Greetings
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UPDATE 1
For right now the Leader: Amsterdam - Congrats to Richard Lang!
For right now the Leader: Amsterdam - Congrats to Richard Lang!
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 Amsterdam 71 32 407 60.1% 14.0%
2 Dallas 32 bit 40 32 406 55.8% 12.6%
3 Roma 32 bit 13 31 404 51.9% 15.1%
4 Loki 1.02 10 32 409 51.5% 10.0%
5 Kanguruh 9.3 -2 31 407 49.8% 15.5%
6 Elf 1.3.0 -10 31 409 48.5% 17.8%
7 Gargamella 0.5 -32 31 408 45.5% 15.0%
8 MM5 -92 32 404 37.0% 16.1%
1627 of 2240 games finished.
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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News (16.02.2025):
Well, 2 (two) separate.. but very interesting competitions are organized!
And as you may see too, in the 1st tour: some belonging even to 1980s,
Where in 2nd tour: some are belonging to 1990s and just for comparing
I included more newer, but special engines, otherwise hard to guess their
Strength. yes..now we've more data regarding improvements from past
To present! What I can add more, during 1980s: strongest engines were
Minus plus 2000 Elo, during 1990s: the strongest engines were close to
2500 Elo, nowadays (in 2025) many of Top engines are 3700+, 3800+ Elo
Points! But this is also true that in 2020-2023, there was serious jump in
Elo points, min 200 Elo points are recorded (via SF NNUE) but after that
Period, the Elo improvements are almost dead! Perhaps 30-50 Elo points
In Bullet..at least my recent 3800+ Elo tours indicates this! In other words,
It's clear that almost all Top programmers have troubles to add much Elo
Over 3800+ barrier, right? Btw, unfortunately some 'hopeless' guys often
Blame my short openings such as they are drawish, hehe) but all of them
Forget to mention that they're strong, better in quality and here is the point
That they're not honest over..at least once they'd try to say theirs used lines
Are weaker... but it seems they will never say the true.. and believe it or not,
Many are not aware which opening is strong or which weak! On other hand,
How much is that true? This is other question, but till 2020..not many were
Blaming my short openings and why?) Btw, who said that Unique openings
Produce high-draw ratio?) See here please, minus plus 15% if still not clear,
Not so bad idea to learn over..because reality is not as it looks! And here is
The proof..Yes..we've a lot of NN files, with winning data...but in same time
Many positions leads to draw too, and it's all right..better draw than to lose !)
Actually there is nothing impossible.for this..regarding how to increase wins,
I think that required newer and better techniques, sure I'm doing my best via
Openings even with engines too and I wonder what about you? I mean that
Do you try ever to improve your tours or chess engines e.g via strong lines?
Who knows? maybe here is the true?) anyhow, fun is fun..it doesn't matter
So much e.g running tours via 2000 Elo or tours with 3800 Elo participants..
Ok..Friends that's all for now, thanks, congrats to all Authors! see you later )
1980s Tour Champion: Amsterdam - My Congratulations to Richard Lang!
1990s Tour Champion: Rebel 6.0 - My Congratulations to Ed Schröder!
FOR FINAL STANDINGS, GAMES:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 1990s-cs-i
Greetings
Well, 2 (two) separate.. but very interesting competitions are organized!
And as you may see too, in the 1st tour: some belonging even to 1980s,
Where in 2nd tour: some are belonging to 1990s and just for comparing
I included more newer, but special engines, otherwise hard to guess their
Strength. yes..now we've more data regarding improvements from past
To present! What I can add more, during 1980s: strongest engines were
Minus plus 2000 Elo, during 1990s: the strongest engines were close to
2500 Elo, nowadays (in 2025) many of Top engines are 3700+, 3800+ Elo
Points! But this is also true that in 2020-2023, there was serious jump in
Elo points, min 200 Elo points are recorded (via SF NNUE) but after that
Period, the Elo improvements are almost dead! Perhaps 30-50 Elo points
In Bullet..at least my recent 3800+ Elo tours indicates this! In other words,
It's clear that almost all Top programmers have troubles to add much Elo
Over 3800+ barrier, right? Btw, unfortunately some 'hopeless' guys often
Blame my short openings such as they are drawish, hehe) but all of them
Forget to mention that they're strong, better in quality and here is the point
That they're not honest over..at least once they'd try to say theirs used lines
Are weaker... but it seems they will never say the true.. and believe it or not,
Many are not aware which opening is strong or which weak! On other hand,
How much is that true? This is other question, but till 2020..not many were
Blaming my short openings and why?) Btw, who said that Unique openings
Produce high-draw ratio?) See here please, minus plus 15% if still not clear,
Not so bad idea to learn over..because reality is not as it looks! And here is
The proof..Yes..we've a lot of NN files, with winning data...but in same time
Many positions leads to draw too, and it's all right..better draw than to lose !)
Actually there is nothing impossible.for this..regarding how to increase wins,
I think that required newer and better techniques, sure I'm doing my best via
Openings even with engines too and I wonder what about you? I mean that
Do you try ever to improve your tours or chess engines e.g via strong lines?
Who knows? maybe here is the true?) anyhow, fun is fun..it doesn't matter
So much e.g running tours via 2000 Elo or tours with 3800 Elo participants..
Ok..Friends that's all for now, thanks, congrats to all Authors! see you later )
1980s Tour Champion: Amsterdam - My Congratulations to Richard Lang!
1990s Tour Champion: Rebel 6.0 - My Congratulations to Ed Schröder!
FOR FINAL STANDINGS, GAMES:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... 1990s-cs-i
Greetings