SedatChess
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Re: SedatChess
Hello Chess Friends,
As usually, I'm very pleased to announce that,
I've organized a new handicapped competition:
In the Name of Paul Morphy!
What is New ?
A lot of things, sure no much free time for all, but anyway here we go:
The goal is to see / determine the chess genius engines, which are
Super strong that they may win with handicap vs 3300 Elo opponents,
As sometimes giving extra two pawns, three pawns, an bishop, knight.
And despite..crushing their opponents, sure not always, but so often!!
Btw, If you are going to ask: Which engine attacks like Paul Morphy?
I'd say clearly (here I refer for under these conditions): PlentyChess!
As reason, 1st of all, the both names are starting with same letter: P
2nd. No any other player's performance (in handicap) is to be so good
3rd. Their mission to destroy the opponents, even via disadvantage...!
On other hand,
I like handicap tours...yes, SCCT is one of the 1st ever that organize
Similar Eng Ratings.... and is this all? not of course, as 1st ever are
SCCT Book Tours, plus Analyzing tests via Openings etc. Moreover,
Even SCCT is one of 1st ever done ratings with Fisher Time controls!
E.g in past, almost all TDs were organizing tours: 40 moves in X min.
Mostly are switched to Fisher TC..in latest 5-10 years, but where
I run with Fisher TC, if not wrong, since more than 25 years ago!
As last words,
I wish to say many thanks to all, especially to Eng Authors, plus to
CEFT + CCRL teams, otherwise I'd spent more time to find which
Are close to 3300 Elo ..Meanwhile, despite on theirs useful data...
To find 3300 Elo engine was complicated for my side..e.g many were
Out..as reason: they are weaker or some buggy etc. In other words,
I've spent BIG efforts all over... and is this as all? not of course,
I managed to create a new handicap opening suite, which tuned for
Both colors..e.g Whites and Blacks have more equal chances to win..
I mean in close method as my other created/used Unique test suite!
As we know here, Chess is a game for 2 (two) sides: White + Black!
Where unfortunately some opening suites.such as UHO are far away..
Theirs almost all games are ending in favor for Whites side... hehe ))
Of course, here is nothing new, if you're not so good in opening suites!
Btw, here the General stats of current tour (based on 20088 games):
40% Whites Wins / 38% Blacks Wins / where the Draw Ratio: 22%
Hope helps... please stay tuned.. soon new 'result' update coming!
HC CS V's Current Leader PlentyChess - My Congratulations to Yoshie2000!
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... apped-cs-5
Best,
Sedat
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE
And just a few more words about all over, you know,
Openings, Tours, Testings etc. are as my 2nd job !)
Btw, from my experience I can say (during my opening suite creations),
I try NOT to be dominant only via Whites, but rather I try to be dominant
Via both color sides! And what a pity that so many people have no clue
About what's going on..Yes, realistic game stats are greater values and
More important than to get overcome only for Whites or Blacks!! Sure
That's other question, but how many are aware / pay attention all over?
Meanwhile, here are General stats of current tour (based on 29160 games):
Whites Wins: 40% / Blacks Wins: 38% / where the Draw Ratio is just: 22%
Note also via latest update: a lot of more chess engines are participated..
Including many Stockfish eng vers. (Stockfish 15, 16, 17, latest dev. etc.)
But non of them is managed to perform better/stronger than PlentyChess!
And current competition is still not over..soon more entries are planning..
HC CS V's Present Champion: PlentyChess - Congratulations to Yoshie2000!
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... apped-cs-5
What I can add and to be more clear:
3rd. Their mission to destroy the opponents, even via disadvantages:
Both dominant players (Paul Morphy + PlentyChess) proved to be so!
Main difference is that (between both) Morphy did it in19th century,
Where PlentyChess is showed to be true in our current (21th) century!
Greetings
And just a few more words about all over, you know,
Openings, Tours, Testings etc. are as my 2nd job !)
Btw, from my experience I can say (during my opening suite creations),
I try NOT to be dominant only via Whites, but rather I try to be dominant
Via both color sides! And what a pity that so many people have no clue
About what's going on..Yes, realistic game stats are greater values and
More important than to get overcome only for Whites or Blacks!! Sure
That's other question, but how many are aware / pay attention all over?
Meanwhile, here are General stats of current tour (based on 29160 games):
Whites Wins: 40% / Blacks Wins: 38% / where the Draw Ratio is just: 22%
Note also via latest update: a lot of more chess engines are participated..
Including many Stockfish eng vers. (Stockfish 15, 16, 17, latest dev. etc.)
But non of them is managed to perform better/stronger than PlentyChess!
And current competition is still not over..soon more entries are planning..
HC CS V's Present Champion: PlentyChess - Congratulations to Yoshie2000!
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... apped-cs-5
What I can add and to be more clear:
3rd. Their mission to destroy the opponents, even via disadvantages:
Both dominant players (Paul Morphy + PlentyChess) proved to be so!
Main difference is that (between both) Morphy did it in19th century,
Where PlentyChess is showed to be true in our current (21th) century!
Greetings
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 2
New unofficial testings about to check error margin..
648 games can be considered as good stats but still
Not enough.. regarding to see right/accurate points,
Very likely over than 1000+ games (per player) needed
For examples, normally in ongoing (official) tournament:
1st test, PlentyChess is performed: 354.5 / 648 (54,73%)
1st test, SF FS 050423is performed: 347.0 / 648 (53,56%)
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And here are the latest new (unofficial) testings:
2nd test, PlentyChess is performed: 347.0 / 648 (53,56%)
3rd test, PlentyChess is performed: 355.0 / 648 (54,8%)
2nd test, SF FS 050423 is performed: 347.0 / 648 (53,56%)
3rd test, SF FS 050423 is performed: 365.5 / 648 (56.3%)
GAMES (database contains the latest unofficial testing games):
https://mega.nz/file/nxQX3ZLA#Su-IuB4Tn ... FTTHBIJ3HE
As final conclusion,
Via PlentyChess is ok...proved so times to be one of best!
But this time I wish to congratulate APOCALYPSE too! who is
The author of SF FS 050423, really an amazing eng for sure,
Which is another great attacker, close in style as Morphy!
One thing more, (for anyone missed, in the official tour):
I've realized to test also Stockfish 070423 dev. which uses
Exactly same Evalfile (that used SF FS..) is performed: 51%
In other words,
I'd like to mention here, via 3rd (unofficial) testing,
SF FS 050423 has best record so far: 56.3% win. perc. !
And it seems (sure I refer for more accurate metrics etc.)
In future tours: I have to increase the number of games...
Best,
Sedat
New unofficial testings about to check error margin..
648 games can be considered as good stats but still
Not enough.. regarding to see right/accurate points,
Very likely over than 1000+ games (per player) needed
For examples, normally in ongoing (official) tournament:
1st test, PlentyChess is performed: 354.5 / 648 (54,73%)
1st test, SF FS 050423is performed: 347.0 / 648 (53,56%)
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And here are the latest new (unofficial) testings:
2nd test, PlentyChess is performed: 347.0 / 648 (53,56%)
3rd test, PlentyChess is performed: 355.0 / 648 (54,8%)
2nd test, SF FS 050423 is performed: 347.0 / 648 (53,56%)
3rd test, SF FS 050423 is performed: 365.5 / 648 (56.3%)
GAMES (database contains the latest unofficial testing games):
https://mega.nz/file/nxQX3ZLA#Su-IuB4Tn ... FTTHBIJ3HE
As final conclusion,
Via PlentyChess is ok...proved so times to be one of best!
But this time I wish to congratulate APOCALYPSE too! who is
The author of SF FS 050423, really an amazing eng for sure,
Which is another great attacker, close in style as Morphy!
One thing more, (for anyone missed, in the official tour):
I've realized to test also Stockfish 070423 dev. which uses
Exactly same Evalfile (that used SF FS..) is performed: 51%
In other words,
I'd like to mention here, via 3rd (unofficial) testing,
SF FS 050423 has best record so far: 56.3% win. perc. !
And it seems (sure I refer for more accurate metrics etc.)
In future tours: I have to increase the number of games...
Best,
Sedat
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 3
Just one more unofficial testing (regarding error margin too),
Where nıow Stockfish 070423 dev. is played extra 1296 games!
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/DhpRXDiC#RsSkrV5eR ... kHmHbwiwew
Continuing....
In overall (merged latest 2nd + 3rd tests in one),
E.g Stockfish 070423 dev. is performed: 50,9%
And once more, in the official competition:
Stockfish 070423 dev. is performed: 50,6%
But if we are going to count all (1944) played games:
Then Stockfish 070423 dev. performed average: 50,8%
And after all, what we noticed and have to learn over... ?
Stockfish 070423's gained points are less and more fixed...
E.g close to 51%, where PlentyChess + SF FS 050423?'s points
Are more variable and higher in same time that means to us:
The both Top mentioned engines are more dangerous as well!
And moreover, it seems
With some players, even 648 games is ok, but with some,
Even much more games (per player) required to be played!
Meanwhile, it's interesting to know also that,
- What is the Top secret behind SF FS 050423 ?
As we see..even via same Evalfile, but theirs
Gained points are far away (from each other)
Sure here I refer for Stockfish 070423 dev.
Greetings )
Just one more unofficial testing (regarding error margin too),
Where nıow Stockfish 070423 dev. is played extra 1296 games!
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/DhpRXDiC#RsSkrV5eR ... kHmHbwiwew
Continuing....
In overall (merged latest 2nd + 3rd tests in one),
E.g Stockfish 070423 dev. is performed: 50,9%
And once more, in the official competition:
Stockfish 070423 dev. is performed: 50,6%
But if we are going to count all (1944) played games:
Then Stockfish 070423 dev. performed average: 50,8%
And after all, what we noticed and have to learn over... ?
Stockfish 070423's gained points are less and more fixed...
E.g close to 51%, where PlentyChess + SF FS 050423?'s points
Are more variable and higher in same time that means to us:
The both Top mentioned engines are more dangerous as well!
And moreover, it seems
With some players, even 648 games is ok, but with some,
Even much more games (per player) required to be played!
Meanwhile, it's interesting to know also that,
- What is the Top secret behind SF FS 050423 ?
As we see..even via same Evalfile, but theirs
Gained points are far away (from each other)
Sure here I refer for Stockfish 070423 dev.
Greetings )
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 4
Unofficial Ranking (via latest played games):
PlentyChess is still Number One !! but I admit too
SF FS 050423 is very close..just 1 (point) Elo diff.!
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Unofficial Ranking (via latest played games):
PlentyChess is still Number One !! but I admit too
SF FS 050423 is very close..just 1 (point) Elo diff.!
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ank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 PlentyChess 3.0.1 3336 14 14 1944 54% 3304 23%
2 SF FS 050423 3335 13 14 1944 54% 3304 26%
3 SF PB 170922 3323 23 23 648 53% 3304 26%
4 XTD 010723 3322 23 23 648 53% 3304 25%
5 Fire 6.1 3317 15 15 1728 60% 3245 24%
6 rofChade 2.2 3317 15 15 1728 60% 3245 23%
7 Cheng 4.45 3317 15 15 1728 60% 3245 22%
8 Nalwald 19 3315 15 15 1728 59% 3245 24%
9 Houdini 4 3315 15 15 1728 59% 3245 15%
10 Xiphos 0.5 3314 15 15 1728 59% 3245 22%
11 Raubfisch SC 3313 24 24 648 51% 3304 21%
12 Ethereal 10.55 3310 15 15 1728 59% 3245 22%
13 Stockfish 070423 3310 14 14 1944 51% 3304 25%
14 RapTora 3.0 3309 23 23 648 51% 3304 27%
15 Booot 6.4 3309 15 15 1728 59% 3245 24%
16 Kayra 1.7 3309 23 23 648 51% 3304 25%
17 Laser 1.7 3306 15 15 1728 58% 3245 21%
18 Fritz 18 3304 15 15 1728 58% 3245 18%
19 CatroPOLY 310723 3303 23 23 648 50% 3304 22%
20 Minic 3.08 3301 15 15 1728 58% 3245 23%
21 Fizbo 1.9 3300 14 15 1728 58% 3245 27%
22 Zahak 10 3298 15 15 1728 57% 3245 20%
23 Integral 6 3297 23 23 648 49% 3304 26%
24 Komodo 9 3296 15 15 1728 57% 3245 17%
25 Clover 8.1 3294 23 23 648 48% 3304 27%
26 Swordfish 15.5 3294 23 23 648 48% 3304 23%
27 Obsidian 14 3292 23 23 648 48% 3304 23%
28 RubiChess 1.9 3290 15 15 1728 56% 3245 22%
29 Counter 5.0 3289 15 15 1728 56% 3245 23%
30 SF-130214 IP 3289 15 15 1728 56% 3245 22%
31 Lizard 11.1 3288 23 24 648 48% 3304 21%
32 Weiss 1.4 3287 15 15 1728 55% 3245 21%
33 Alexandria 7.1.0 3283 23 23 648 47% 3304 24%
34 Integral 5 3278 23 23 648 46% 3304 25%
35 Stockfish 221224 3272 23 23 648 45% 3304 23%
36 Stormphrax 6.0 3272 23 24 648 45% 3304 22%
37 Koivisto 9.2 3270 24 24 648 45% 3304 21%
38 Seer v2.8 3269 23 23 648 45% 3304 28%
39 Berserk 13 3264 23 23 648 44% 3304 23%
40 Caissa 12.1 3256 23 23 648 43% 3304 26%
41 Starzix 6.0 3244 24 24 648 42% 3304 21%
42 Velvet v8.11 3243 24 24 648 42% 3304 21%
43 Viridithas 15 3236 23 23 648 40% 3304 25%
44 RubiChess 0824 3227 24 24 648 39% 3304 21%
45 Motor v0.8.0 3213 24 24 648 37% 3304 21%
46 Fat Fritz 2 3211 24 24 648 37% 3304 22%
47 K.Dragon 3.3 3204 24 25 648 36% 3304 18%
48 Uralochka 3.41a 3188 24 25 648 34% 3304 19%
49 CSTal 2.0.0 3184 24 24 648 33% 3304 22%
50 Peacekeeper 3.0.1 3175 24 25 648 32% 3304 20%
51 Revenge 3 3173 25 25 648 33% 3304 15%
52 Clarity v7.2.0 3164 25 25 648 31% 3304 20%
53 Titan 1.1 3151 25 26 648 30% 3304 15%
54 Cfish 030820 3140 25 25 648 28% 3304 20%
55 Igel 3.5.0 3129 25 26 648 27% 3304 16%
56 Arasan 25.0 3128 25 26 648 27% 3304 15%
57 asmFish 10 3101 26 27 648 23% 3304 17%
58 Devre 6.0 3096 26 27 648 24% 3304 14%
59 rofChade 3.1 3093 26 27 648 23% 3304 16%
60 Tucano 12 3035 29 30 648 18% 3304 10%
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 5
Meanwhile, a new idea is born:
I started to work over a new exciting project too, and as players
Will be mainly 3700+ e.g many older SF based engine vers. plus
Many former Champions will be played out..Note also that tour
Conditions will be handicapped (as recent tours) as main diff.
All Top engines will use to play with more newer openings too..
Later, the best ones will be resumed to play with more games!
On the other hand,
Via planning competition, I expect to see great performances, but
Not from the latest SF releases... e.g newest SF ones perform worse!
Sure after all time will tell the true: newer or older will be stronger!
Btw, let's see this time which of the engines will be pure
Genius in attacks (as to Paul Morphy's attacking style ?!)
And please stay tuned.. more news soon as possible...
Best,
Sedat
Meanwhile, a new idea is born:
I started to work over a new exciting project too, and as players
Will be mainly 3700+ e.g many older SF based engine vers. plus
Many former Champions will be played out..Note also that tour
Conditions will be handicapped (as recent tours) as main diff.
All Top engines will use to play with more newer openings too..
Later, the best ones will be resumed to play with more games!
On the other hand,
Via planning competition, I expect to see great performances, but
Not from the latest SF releases... e.g newest SF ones perform worse!
Sure after all time will tell the true: newer or older will be stronger!
Btw, let's see this time which of the engines will be pure
Genius in attacks (as to Paul Morphy's attacking style ?!)
And please stay tuned.. more news soon as possible...
Best,
Sedat
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Thanks Sedat. Interesting idea.
Happy new year in advance
Happy new year in advance
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 6
Shocking or Breaking News, but there is one true, so far
PlentyChess plays like Paul Morphy...just unstoppable!
As other good results (as far as I noticed),
One of my favorites: RaspTora 2.2 performs good too!
Ok...if not today... the day after tomorrow will be shared
Latest new standings... Good luck to all players )
I wish everyone the best for the new year as well!
Greetings
Re: SedatChess
Thank you very much !
I wish you all the best in the New Year.
I wish you all the best in the New Year.