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Re: personal opinions : when they saw the evidence...

Post by deeds » Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:28 pm

Sedat wrote: Lets say about EXP settings of Igbo and others?)
https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.ph ... 068#p38045

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Re: personal opinions : when they saw the evidence...

Post by deeds » Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:54 pm

Sedat wrote: deeds to share tour 2024 exp games
https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.ph ... 052#p36893
https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.ph ... =10#p37384
https://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.ph ... 310#p37615

So now what should people expect ?

As usual, Sedat will take these games, invent a BIN book or an EXP file, rename that file to reassign it to someone else, not filter the opening moves played by the gui (because I used opening lists), do not use the same engines that produced these games, not properly configure the engine that will use the BIN file or the EXP file, generalize the result as the value of someone else's entire work, etc.

Well, we won't be surprised, Sedat's already done it.

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Re: personal opinions : when they saw the evidence...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:06 pm

Ding-Bat wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:22 pm
Deeds is a wind up merchant he gets off on it.
His light will go out one day and no one will remember him we all turn to dust eventually.
Exp books so what in say 1 or 2 years draw total
Ssd getting cheaper 16TB 7 man
Better nnue game over
Look at the servers out of a thousand games how many wins?
After time out a hand full 10 or 20 games tops.
Dream on deeds waste your time with this shit called winning chess its over drawn
1st of all,
Thank you very much...

Good points and here totally agreed with you! :difus_19

Have a good day )

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Re: personal opinions : when they saw the evidence...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:22 pm

Martin_1969 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:12 am
deeds wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:34 pm
Martin_1969 wrote: Why do you even have a list of foes if you read everything anyway and quote yourself? :lol:
Bye
First, you haven't evidence that I was in front of a screen reading messages from foes :!:
Second, i already explained it here :o
Sometimes my supporters/friends/family read these bullshits or lies and they advise me to respond (or not) with supporting evidence :arrow: that's why sometimes it can take time :difus_4
You always answer. Stand by your opinion. If you already have a list of foes, you should stick to it: enemies don't talk to each other.
Good points too!

And thanks for mentioning it...such as
If you are already in Deeds Foe list..then
How Deeds is checking, reading etc. ))

Btw, same story as in past (2007-2008)
When Harry Schnapp (who attacked Me via 12 fake accounts),
Was clearly confirmed (by Rybka team) that Harry is behind of
These fake accounts etc. and do you know what was Harry's replay:
They are not mine..some were of my family, supporters etc.
In other words, nothing new..same boring story as in past...

One thing more,
Just now I remembered (if I am not wrong in 2007):
Where Hatty is said such as:
Testing opening books (in tours) are as CIRCUS )

But in this real arena (SCCT),
Thousands of books are submitted by hundreds of authors!

Best,
Sedat

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Re: personal opinions : when they saw the evidence...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:30 pm

Meanwhile (for anyone missed about SCCT book tours),
Let Me share true evidences, who manged Champs (since 2007-2024):

NOTE: The below ranking contains 254 CHAMPIONS..unbelievable!

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Champion            Book Author             Country     Tour
Perfect 13          Sedat Canbaz            Turkey      I
CompMaster 1b       Servet Kultur           Turkey      II
Xmas2640            Michael Scheidl         Germany     Arena
Rybka3              Jeroen Noomen           Netherlands III
Mybook 13           Yuriy Gudzatoviy        Russia      IV
Ultra Blitz 3       Tsvetan Milchev         Bulgaria    IVa
Amazing             Bobby Casey             USA         IVb     
Experimental        Jean Disquin            Venezuela   IVc
Om                  Om Prakash              India       IVd
Yograj              Sunny                   India       IVe
Magnificent         Swapna Sinha            India       IVf
Hurricane           Nikolay Bartenev        Russia      V
Dark Angel          Josias Mauricio         Brasil      2010
Attacker 3          Adriean Costinescu      Romania     Prize I
Attacker 4          Adriean Costinescu      Romania     Prize II
Don 9               Vasid Chouhan           India       VI
Hitman 5.2          Eduardo Koji            Japan       VII
Hitman              Eduardo Koji            Japan       VIII
JapanTopTeam        Marcos K. Matsuda       Japan       IX
Prodigy 12          Maurice Chac            Indonesia   SL I
JapanTopTeam        Marcos K. Matsuda       Japan       SL II
Guardian Angel      Giuseppe Petruccelli    Italy       SL III
DieHard             Randy Sands             USA         CS I
Rocket X            Dean Sprouse            USA         CS II
KingOfLegends       Babu Hatela             India       CS III
Champions2010       Attacker / Dark Angel / Hitman      CS IV
KingAsad Shark      Asad Brohi              Pakistan    CS V
SCCT Champions      Based on SCCT Champions Games       CS VI
DON007              Vasid Chouhan           India       CS Light
AntiChampion        Based on Champions Lost Games       CS VII
Kasimdzhanov        Based on R.Kasimdzhanov Games       CS VIIIh
Kramnik             Vladimir Kramnik        Russia      CS VIIIg
Panda 5             Eros Riccio             Italy       CS VIII
DON                 Vasid Chouhan           India       CS IX
AntiChampion        Based on Champions Lost Games       CS X
Attacker Pro 1.02   Adriean Costinescu      Romania     CS XI
Cerebellum          Thomas Zipproth         Germany     CS XII
Attacker Pro 2      Adriean Costinescu      Romania     CS XIII
Attacker            Adriean Costinescu      Romania     CS XIV
Asmbook             Otodranik / Zipproth    Germany     CS XV
Brain1              Ocirema / Zipproth      Germany     CS XVI
Vitamin kid n3r1    Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XVII
Gelfand             Boris Gelfand           Israel      CS XVIII
Sahtekar            Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS XIX
Goi 5.1             Massimiliano Goi        Italy       CS XX
Asmbook             Thomas Zipproth         Germany     CS XXI
Champ               Based on SCCT CS high-rated games   CS XXII
Vitamin 051118      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XXIIIa
Armor II            Olivier Charles         England     CS XXIIIb
Ragnar 1977         Antony Rossetti         Italy       CS XXIIIc
GoldenHorn X1       Fatih Mutlu             Turkey      CS XXIIId
Attacker Pro 3      Adriean Costinescu      Romania     CS XXIIIe
CF1977              Antony Rossetti         Italy       CS XXIV S1
Goi 6               Massimiliano Goi        Italy       CS XXIV S2
Vitamin 190619      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XXV
Champ 2018-2019     Based on SCCT CS high-rated games   CS XXVI
Polyglot            Based on SCCT CS high-rated games   CS XXVII
Attacker            Based on Attacker books 2017-2019   CS XXVIII
DON 040819          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XXIX
Echidna             Ioannis Simeonidis      Greece      CS XXX
EchidnaX            Ioannis Simeonidis      Greece      CS XXXI
Vitamin 040919      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XXXII
Vitamin 300919      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XXXIII
ArtemisX            Ioannis Simeonidis      Greece      CS XXXIV
Cerebellum 061119   Thomas Zipproth         Germany     CS XXXIV
Outskirts Forum     Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS XXXIV
Vitamin 051119      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XXXIV
DON 211119          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XXXIV
CF1977              Antony Rossetti         Italy       CS XXXV
Fres                Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS XXXVI
Zeus                Ioannis Simeonidis      Greece      CS XXXVI
Cerebellum Dual     Thomas Zipproth         Germany     CS XXXVI
Mr Noname 4         Angel Morano            Argentina   CS XXXVI
Vitamin 220420      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XXXVI
DON Lite 2          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XXXVI
TripleBrain MZC     Played by Mr NoName/Zeus/CF1977     CS XXXVII
Giri                Anish Giri              Netherlands CS XXXVIII
Giri                Anish Giri              Netherlands CS XXXIX
TURKEY              Göktürk Göker           Turkey      CS XXXX
DON 3 Extreme       Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XXXX
Attacker Pro 6      Adriean Costinescu      Romania     CS XLI
NonameBoy           Angel Morano            Argentina   CS XLI
Scipionyx           Antony Rossetti         Italy       CS XLI
Luna 160620         Rafael Paulo            Portugal    CS XLI
Murx = Tuned to prefer Infinity/Plychess user openings  CS XLI
Vitamin maniac      Juan Carlos             Spain       CS XLI
JudgeDredd = Tuned to prefer Plychess user openings     CS XLI    
Cerebellum          Thomas Zipproth         Germany     CS XLII
CF1977              Antony Rossetti         Italy       CS XLIII
CF1977              Antony Rossetti         Italy       XLII+XLIII
DON                 Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XLIV
DON Lite 2          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XLV
DON Lite 2          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS XLVI
Perfect             Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS XLVIII
Perfect             Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS XLVII
2600-Club           Ian Hurnavich           England     CS XLVIX
M10.5               Mustafa Canseven        Turkey      CS L
Alchemist 110121    Angel Morano            Argentina   CS L
Cevdet2-BIN         Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS LI
Alchemist 110121    Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LII
1337chess 281120    Michael Wagner          USA         CS LII
Cerebellum 3 Merge  Thomas Zipproth         Germany     CS LIII
Alchemist 250421    Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LIV
M11.4               Mustafa Canseven        Turkey      CS LIV
Lc0-BIN             Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS LIV
Cuzaro-BIN          Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LV
DONFupdate1         Vasid Chouhan           India       CS LV
MANTIS X2           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      CS LVI
Ding                Ding Liren              China       CS LVII
Eman bin            Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      CS LVIII
Chucaro 041221      Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LVI
DON Free 4          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS LVI
Cuzaro 3.1 BIN      Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LIX
Biyuya v1 CTG       Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LIX
Biyuya v1 GRAND     Angel Morano            Argentina   CS LIX
DON 030222          Vasid Chouhan           India       CS LX
Katzenmaier         Stefan Kleinert         Germany     CS LXI
LSA                 Vladislav Belikov       Russia      CS LXI
FireOnBoard         Stephane Tandraste      France      CS LXI
FireOnBoard         Stephane Tandraste      France      CS LX
Cuzaro 3.1 BIN      Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N I
DON 180322 CTG      Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N I
DON 180322 GRAND    Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N I
Champ               Based on SCCT CS high-rated games   B/N II
Varied 110122 BIN   Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N I
Varied 110122 GRAND Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N I
Cimarron CTG        Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N I
Cimarron GRAND      Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N I
Goryachkina, A.     Aleksandra Goryachkina  Russia      CS LXII
FireOnBoard         Stephane Tandraste      France      CS LXIII
GalactusTurboSe     Vaiebhav (VSV)          India       B/N III
1337chess 070422    Michael Wagner          USA         B/N IV
Cimarron UPD        Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N IV
Cubail 040722       Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      B/N V
Varied 110122       Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N V
1337chess 070422    Michael Wagner          USA         B/N V
Dark Galactus V3    Vaiebhav (VSV)          India       B/N V
DON Extreme         Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N V
Kasparov            Garry Kasparov          Russia      CS LXIV
Ganryu              Based on Playchess's user games     B/N VI
Guzel Kiz BIN       Hasan Satrani           Pakistan    B/N VII   
Guzel Kiz GRAND     Hasan Satrani           Pakistan    B/N VII  
Guzel Kiz 200522    Hasan Satrani           Pakistan    B/N VIII   
Feta 7 CTG          Vladislav Belikov       Russia      B/N IX
StundentChess BIN   Ethan Smith              ???        B/N IX
Dark Galactus CTG   Vaiebhav (VSV)          India       B/N IX
Alchemist Pro CTG   Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N IX
SF-SE               Skynet (Alex)           Russia      B/N X
Everest 090223      Ivan Alekseev           Russia      B/N X
Dark Galactus BIN   Vaiebhav (VSV)          India       B/N X
Chucaro 4 upd       Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N X
Mustafacanseven     Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      B/N X
Barnabas 2.1        Ian Hurnavich           England     B/N X
Pimienta            Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N X
C.B.Conqueror       Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N X
HCan Upd            Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N X
Everest 090223      Ivan Alekseev           Russia      CS LXV
OPTIMUS 2           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      CS LXV
Hao-Wang            Hao Wang                China       B/N XI
HCan Upd            Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XII
Bloom 0.4           Skynet (Alex)           Russia      B/N XIII
CachoSCCT           Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XIII
Hamish 4.1          Ian Hurnavich           England     B/N XIII
SkynetSCCT/OlisFish Skynet (Alex)           Russia      B/N XIII
HCanFree Upd        Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XIV
HCanFree Upd        Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/E/N I
DON 240923          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XV
DON 240923          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XV
DON Free 2023       Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XV
DON Hercules        Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XVI
LesChats 130923     Jorge Centelles         Spain       B/N XVI
SARI 300923         Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      B/N XVI
OPTIMUS 4           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XVII
Pimienta            Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XVII
DON Hercules        Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XVII
OPTIMUS 4           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      CS LXVI
DON Hercules 2      Vasid Chouhan           India       CS LXVI
SENTINEL 2          Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      CS LXVI
Everest 300923      Ivan Alekseev           Russia      B/N Ult
DON Hercules 3      Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XVIII
HCanFree Upd        Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XVIII
LesChats 161023     Jorge Centelles         Spain       B/N XVIII
Everest 300923      Ivan Alekseev           Russia      B/N XIX
LesChats 061123     Jorge Centelles         Spain       B/N XX
Unicornio           Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XX
LesChats 151123     Jorge Centelles         Spain       B/N XXI
OPTIMUS 4           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXI
DON Hercules 3      Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXI
Sambala             Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      B/N XXI
Everest 300923      Ivan Alekseev           Russia      B/N XXI
OPTIMUS 2311        Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXI
ORIONPAX3           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXII
Taram               Cevdet Sarı             Turkey      B/N XXII
Goddess             Olivier Charles         England     B/N XXII
Lion 110423         AJ Lamprecht            S.Africa    B/N XXIII
Grendel 081023      Massimiliano Goi        Italy       B/N XXIII
Solista 070823      Eduard Nemeth           Cermany     B/N XXIII
DON 240923          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXIV
DON Hercules 3      Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXV
Red Dragon          Ian Hurnavich           England     B/N XXV
OPTIMUS 2311        Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXV
Anand (via Cfish)   Vishy Anand             India       CS LXVII
Carlsen(via Fruit)  Magnus Carlsen          Norway      CS LXVII
OPTIMUS 2401        Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      CS LXVIII
Domínguez           Leinier Domínguez       Cuba        CS LXVIII
So                  Wesley So               Philippines CS LXVIII
Ding                Ding Liren              China       CS LXVIII
Karjakin            Sergey Karjakin         Russia      CS LXVIII
HCan 290224         Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXVI
Hazel 290224        Nate Smith              England     B/N XXVI
TURKEY 2024         Göktürk Göker           Turkey      B/N XXVI
Unicornio-Final     Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXVI
Unicornio-Final     Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXVII
OPTIMUS 2401        Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXVII
DON 110324          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXVII
OPTIMUS X           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXVII
DON 210324          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXVII
DON 210324          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXVIII
OPTIMUS 2403        Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXVIII
OPTIMUS X           Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXIX
HCan 100424         Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXIX
Unicornio Upd2      Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXIX
HCan 160524         Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXX
HCanFree 2404       Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXX
AdrianOliva         Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXX
DON 190524          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXX
HCan 160524 GRAND   Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXXa
Pampa               Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXXI
HCanFree 2404       Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXXI
Optimus             Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXXI
Esculapio           Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXXII
DONfree 090724      Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXXII
OPTIMUS 2407        Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      B/N XXXIII
XXIII Top           Based on B/N XXII high-rated games  B/N XXXIV
Yoruba 070824       Jorge Centelles         Spain       B/N XXXIV
Titans DESU(DON Hercules, Everest, Sentinel, Unicarnio) B/N XXXIV
Titan Skynet        Skynet (Alex)           Russia      B/N XXXIV
Star OrgZ           Tanick Ramz             S. Africa   B/N XXXIV
Titans 2024         DON, Esculapio, Hcan, OPTIMUS etc.  B/N XXXIV
Attacker 16/17      Adriean Costinescu      Romania     B/N XXXV
Biyuya 2022         Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXXV
Ganryu              Based on Playchess's user games     B/N XXXV
Unicarnio           Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXXV
Gerald              Ian Hurnavich           England     SMALL I
SENTINEL 2409       Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      SMALL I
SENTINEL 2407       Roger Constantinesco    Tahiti      Medium I
Chucaro 039424      Angel Morano            Argentina   Large I
Broth 36            Ian Hurnavich           England     Giant I
GRAND Chucaro       Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXXVI
DON 151024          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXXVII
Tunafish 3.2        Tanick Ramz             S. Africa   B/N XXXVII
Esculapio           Angel Morano            Argentina   B/N XXXVII
DON 261024          Vasid Chouhan           India       B/N XXXVII
Kill Bookson 2      Hamdullah Can           Turkey      B/N XXXVII

SOURCE.
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ok-players

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Re: personal opinions : when they saw the evidence...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:41 pm

Btw, since we talk about true evidences etc )
Here are Eng Tours Champions (since 2023 -2024):

Be aware too please,
In about 1 (one) year, the list contains 54 Champs, not much..
But if I am going to count since 1997-1998 years, then very likely
The Champ numbers are expecting to be much much higher !

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Champion/Number One   Author/s               CS/Tour
Tactical 220823       Anton Ces              XXXV 2L
Corrchess 240823      I. Ivec                XXXV 2L
Stockfish 220823 sl   Eduard Nemeth          XXXV 2L  
Spectral 5.0          Anton Ces              XXXV SL
Stockfish 220823 sl   Eduard Nemeth          XXXV SL
Raid v2.73            Tanick Ramz            XXXVI
SF-Poly 220723        Tanick Ramz            XXXVI
SF-Poly 220723        Tanick Ramz            ST IV
KomodoDragon 3.2      Komodo Team            XXXVIIR
RapTora 2.2           Anton Ces              XXXVIIB
SF-Poly 220723        Tanick Ramz            XXXVIII
Stockfish 220823 sl   Eduard Nemeth          XXXVIII
Eman 9.51             Khalid Omar            XXXIX
Eman 9.51             Khalid Omar            XXXX
Stockfish 220823 sl   Eduard Nemeth          XLI
BrainLearn 26         K. Kiniama,A. Manzo    XLII 2L
Corrchess 151023      I. Ivec                XLII 2L
BrainLearn 26         K. Kiniama,A. Manzo    XLII SL
Stockfish 231023      Stockfish Team         XLIII
Sun Light 3 sl        Eduard Nemeth          XLIV
Tactical 281023       Anton Ces              XLIV
Sun Light 3 sl        Eduard Nemeth          XLV
AWOL Z11              Tanick Ramz            XLV
Corrchess 071223      I. Ivec                XLVI
Cfish 030820          Cfish Team             NON-NN VII
Ethereal 14           Grant, Alayan & Laldon NON-NN VII
Houdini 6.03          Robert Houdart         NON-NN VIII
asmFish 191117        TypingALot             NON-NN VIII
asmFish 191117 Grand  TypingALot             NON-NN VIII
Chess Tiger 14        Christophe Theron      Classic I
Fritz 7               Frans Morsch           Classic I
Kasparov+Komodo       Kasparov, Komodo team  Human-Like
Cfish 030820          Cfish Team             Classic II
Corrchess 071223      I. Ivec                XLVII
Kookaburra 2          Dorsz                  XLVII
Killfish 270224       Anton Ces              XLVII
Stockfish 16.1        Stockfish Team         XLVIII
Killfish 190324       Anton Ces              XLIX
Stockfish 16.1        Stockfish Team         L
SF-Poly 020624        Tanick Ramz            LI 2nd
C-Dragon v3.0         Tanick Ramz            LI Super
SF-PB 120624          Skynet (Alex)          LII
Kookaburra 3          Dorsz                  LIII
Killfish 280624       Anton Ces              LIII Blitz
Berserk 13            Jay Honnold            Small Size I
Stockfish 220923      SF team                Medium Size I
Kookaburra 3          Dorsz                  Large Size I
nn-86aaa607b31b               Linrock                EvalFile 5
Corrchess 170924      I. Ivec                LIV Bullet
SF-PB 280924 SC    Linrock Skynet, Sedat     LIV Blitz
ShashChess Santiago   K. Kiniama,A. Manzo    Blitz Adapted
Komodo Dragon 3.3     Komodo Team            Rapid Adapted
MagicKnight           Eduard Nemeth          Analysis III
Kookaburra 3          Dorsz                  Analysis IV
SOURCE:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... eng-champs

Greetings )

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