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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:47 am

Eman's training with the main openings (book width = 1) of about ten books is finished :

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Opening books not being my domain, I needed some stats, some orders of magnitude, to see what their main openings looked like (book width=1), etc.

Based on the above stats, I think I can continue Eman's training even with their secondary openings (book width = 2), with other books, with a newer experience file, etc.
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:50 am

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       4     50    50.5     100  50.5    1   99    0  99.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    49.5     100  49.5    0   99    1  99.0       4     1

White advantage = 3.51 +/- 25.14
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 87%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 35%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       9     81    20.5      40  51.3    2   37    1  92.5       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    19.5      40  48.8    1   37    2  92.5       9     1

White advantage = -26.35 +/- 40.96
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 4%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      49     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      49     1

White advantage = 7.15 +/- 35.50
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :     150     68    65.5     100  65.5   39   53    8  53.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    34.5     100  34.5    8   53   39  53.0     150     1

White advantage = 199.36 +/- 34.98
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:55 am

Overall :

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      45     27   180.0     320  56.3   53  254   13  79.4       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----   140.0     320  43.8   13  254   53  79.4      45     1

White advantage = 49.29 +/- 13.64
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players               : avg. D31, 002 033 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 034 221 moves

cute 130523 (eman 8.40)   : avg. D32, 002 134 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 329 moves
depth4_040923 (eman 8.40) : avg. D30, 001 941 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 017 892 moves

Averages :
0 217 sec/game (4 min/game)
120 plies/game (107 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 253 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 656 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D37, 001 221 ms/move
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:39 pm

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      11     49    51.5     100  51.5    3   97    0  97.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    48.5     100  48.5    0   97    3  97.0      11     1

White advantage = 10.53 +/- 25.03
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (CallMeX 011122's Opening Rate : 100%)

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      12     94    15.5      30  51.7    1   29    0  96.7       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    14.5      30  48.3    0   29    1  96.7      12     1

White advantage = 11.70 +/- 46.76
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (CallMeX 011122's Opening Rate : 80%)

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      18     81    21.0      40  52.5    2   38    0  95.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.0      40  47.5    0   38    2  95.0      18     1

White advantage = -17.58 +/- 41.39
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (CallMeX 011122's Opening Rate : 8%)

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      49     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      49     1

White advantage = 7.15 +/- 35.50
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (CallMeX 011122's Opening Rate : 2%)

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :     199     70    71.0     100  71.0   42   58    0  58.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    29.0     100  29.0    0   58   42  58.0     199     1

White advantage = 185.29 +/- 35.73
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:56 pm

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      62     28   187.5     320  58.6   59  257    4  80.3       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----   132.5     320  41.4    4  257   59  80.3      62     1

White advantage = 46.57 +/- 13.78
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players                : avg. D31, 002 106 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 031 805 moves

callmex 011122 (eman 8.40) : avg. D32, 002 253 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 014 852 moves
depth4_120824 (eman 8.40)  : avg. D31, 001 978 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 953 moves

Averages :
0 209 sec/game (3 min/game)
115 plies/game (099 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 382 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 776 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D38, 001 260 ms/move
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:27 pm

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)          :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (StudentChess 140123's Opening Rate : 87%)

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   # PLAYER                                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)          :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (StudentChess 140123's Opening Rate : 75%)

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   # PLAYER                                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)          :       9     81    20.5      40  51.3    1   39    0  97.5       0     1
   2 StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.5      40  48.8    0   39    1  97.5       9     1

White advantage = -8.77 +/- 41.60
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (StudentChess 140123's Opening Rate : 4%)

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   # PLAYER                                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)          :      50     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      50     1

White advantage = 21.47 +/- 35.47
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (StudentChess 140123's Opening Rate : 2%)

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   # PLAYER                                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)          :     210     72    71.5     100  71.5   44   55    1  55.0       0     1
   2 StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    28.5     100  28.5    1   55   44  55.0     210     1

White advantage = 195.59 +/- 36.59
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Fri Sep 06, 2024 7:31 pm

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   # PLAYER                                 :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)          :      57     27   185.5     320  58.0   56  259    5  80.9       0     1
   2 StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----   134.5     320  42.0    5  259   56  80.9      57     1

White advantage = 46.36 +/- 13.78
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players                     : avg. D31, 002 230 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 030 009 moves

depth4_120824 (eman 8.40)       : avg. D30, 002 022 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 607 moves
studentchess 140123 (eman 8.40) : avg. D32, 002 488 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 013 402 moves

Averages :
0 209 sec/game (3 min/game)
112 plies/game (094 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 520 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 863 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D37, 001 351 ms/move
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:44 pm

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)        :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Solista Attack v3's Opening Rate : 93%)

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)        :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Solista Attack v3's Opening Rate : 40%)

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)        :       9     81    20.5      40  51.3    1   39    0  97.5       0     1
   2 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.5      40  48.8    0   39    1  97.5       9     1

White advantage = -8.77 +/- 41.60
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Solista Attack v3's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)        :      42     70    28.0      50  56.0   11   34    5  68.0       0     1
   2 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    22.0      50  44.0    5   34   11  68.0      42     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 35.28
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Solista Attack v3's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)        :     181     65    70.5     100  70.5   41   59    0  59.0       0     1
   2 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    29.5     100  29.5    0   59   41  59.0     181     1

White advantage = 152.81 +/- 33.65
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:46 pm

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)        :      54     27   184.0     320  57.5   53  262    5  81.9       0     1
   2 Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----   136.0     320  42.5    5  262   53  81.9      54     1

White advantage = 36.00 +/- 13.71
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players                   : avg. D31, 002 142 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 031 471 moves

depth4_120824 (eman 8.40)     : avg. D31, 001 989 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 017 003 moves
solista attack v3 (eman 8.40) : avg. D32, 002 321 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 014 468 moves

Averages :
0 211 sec/game (4 min/game)
115 plies/game (098 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 364 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D30, 001 794 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D37, 001 300 ms/move
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:18 pm

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Sentinel 160623's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Sentinel 160623's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      27     81    21.5      40  53.8    4   35    1  87.5       0     1
   2 Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    18.5      40  46.3    1   35    4  87.5      27     1

White advantage = -44.29 +/- 41.53
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Sentinel 160623's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      35     69    27.5      50  55.0   10   35    5  70.0       0     1
   2 Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    22.5      50  45.0    5   35   10  70.0      35     1

White advantage = 7.08 +/- 35.50
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Sentinel 160623's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)      :     170     65    69.0     100  69.0   39   60    1  60.0       0     1
   2 Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    31.0     100  31.0    1   60   39  60.0     170     1

White advantage = 163.38 +/- 33.70
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
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