personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

[Homayoun]

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We agree, it started at OCF after Oliprog's "EMAN 8.03 64-bit AVX2 Embedded Net vs. ProteusSF RBE 008b AVX2" unfair tourney.

We???. How many persons are you that use the pronoun “we” for yourself. Or may be you got used to count your fake accounts in every situation too? It seems When someone asks you “are you fine? “You answer : yes we are fine. Or say, which one of us: Me, bottunet, or my other characters? Apparently you have confused by your fake accounts completely.
Have good times, Mr. Deeds.

[deeds]

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We???
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You and Sedat are talking about my behavior towards Oliprog at OCF. Me, i have nothing to hide so i gave the link about the origin of my behavior. You and Sedat and Me are talking about the same thing. So in my sentence {We agree, it started at OCF after Oliprog's "EMAN 8.03 64-bit AVX2 Embedded Net vs. ProteusSF RBE 008b AVX2" unfair tourney}, the word "we" meant you (Homayoun) + me (DeeDs) + Sedat. Thanks, have a good times too !

[Homayoun]

With excuse, I just thought that it refers to “deeds and partners company” in front a big mirror.
Have good times

[deeds]

No problem, i understand you are friends with Sedat and Oliprog but sometimes they use settings so bad that it's annoying to see such ignorances for TDs.

It's not that complicated or shameful to ask for advice, yet these TDs don't do it and the worst thing is that these TDs reproduce other tournaments with the same mistakes.

Each time, i gave some evidences, screenshots, commands, links, etc so people can check that with Sedat and Oliprog settings, the learning engines are disturbed, it's not fair for TDs.

About behaviors, good luck to find a post where i would have said to someone to go to the hospital or to check a part of his body or to devalue the fruit of his work...

I only post on public area my answers, my evidences, etc, i don't hide behind my website to avoid debate or being wrong...

[Homayoun]

Every where great knowledge in field of study is associated with personal intelligence can be appropriated and also respectable. About you I can see and understand these two points although, I am not a computer scientist, but I understand that you have unique and rare knowledge in your work. I understand. But it doesn’t mean that you can watch and consider others from up to down and consider they work as unworthy as little tests and attempts. You should not call them with bad words too. ( cheaters, spies, foes, enemies,…).Totally more knowledgeable people should be more humbled too. And can adjust their relationship with others more easily.
Good times

[deeds]

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You should not call them with bad words too. ( cheaters, spies, foes, enemies,…)
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In the French dictionary : cheater is a person who cheats at a game, a person who breaks the rules, a person who is in bad faith, etc.

In the tournaments mentioned above, we have exactly all the aspects of this definition.

For example:
- chess is a game so renaming an EXP file for a chess tournament is like cheating at a game => definition of cheater
- accumulating victories of 12 books when no such book exists is bad faith => definition of cheater
- intentionally modify the engine author's good default settings by very bad settings => it breaks the rules (best settings/conditions for each particpants of a tournament) => definition of cheater
- etc.

Sedat and Oliprog did it several times !

At some point, these repetitions get annoying and someone has to denounce them.
Then I understand that the truth also annoys.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Again new arguments (for honest people)

Question:
-Did Deeds get a permission (for Igbo.exp) from Mr. Jorge Centelles?
Answer:
No, Deeds disrespectfully added Igbo as exp player into his own tour..
Furthermore, without taking any permission too (by Jorge Centelles)
Deeds renamed from Hypnos.exp to Igbo.exp in short, too bad, not fair!
A small note: here I'm 100% sure, at least according to Mr. Jorge Centelles
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Question:
-Did Deeds share his latest tour games on Openchess?
Answer:
No, Deeds did not share tour games, No Games = No trust!
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Question:
-Did Deeds inform his tour conditions (on Openchess)?
Answer:
Unfortunately No..if all were Baba Vanga we would predict,
But not all of us have supernaturalism psychic abilities !)
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Question:
-Did Deeds use several multiple fake accounts in his own tours?
Answer:
Unfortunately yes...and not once, not twice..many times!
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Question:
-Why Deeds main exp never played in independent sources?
Answer:
It seems for Deeds: they are like a Nightmare! Moreover,
All chess fans will see that Deeds techniques are not best!

For more info (updated) about Deeds, you can read at SedatChess:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... everything

Happy reading...


Best,
Sedat

[Homayoun]

I agree to some extent. But don’t forget that all tests and tournaments that we have in chess forums are fun and hobby tests. They are not exactly a scientific method to determine Engines superiority to each other. Both Sedat and Oliprog always say: we are human and our work isn’t without mistake and defects. I remember that Oliprog asked you respectfully. He told: He is ready to repeat the test with your(deeds) conditions. He even asked for your guidance,but you insulted to him and accused him for cheating. Ok. Why do you call other members liars? What’s the meaning of liar in French dictionary? If someone does a test with a different conditions than you or even in a wrong way, then he is a liar too?The reason that we have gathered here is for fun and joy. Chess is our hobby and also our common language. So don’t think if Eman engine has lost to proteus in a hobby and fun test then an Armageddon has happened. I know that your work is worthy as you are working on a new matter in chess programming ( experience and learning features for engines). But don’t forget we are not in university environment here. If you have any ideas about something or a test condition if you remind to conductors in a polite way they will accept from you but if you say bad words they never accept even if you are completely right. So the decision is yours, you can be a motor and source of energy and also a guid for others or you just want to increase the tensions around yourself.
Regards

[deeds]

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Every where great knowledge in field of study is associated with personal intelligence can be appropriated and also respectable
...
Totally more knowledgeable people should be more humbled too. And can adjust their relationship with others more easily.
...

Since the beginning (Sedat's tourney on July, 2022), the conditions have never been right for good relations.
It didn't get better when Sedat repeated the same tournaments with the same unfair conditions.
Imagine what thought the engine trainers when they saw that another TD (Oliprog) was also repeating such tournaments with unfair conditions !

I understand that Sedat has spent his life testing thousands of books so that he still believes that :
- they are stronger than anything
- they are stronger than the same engines that were used to determine the same moves as those preconfigured in these same books
- they are stronger than real-time learning engines teamed by EXP files which sometimes are trained specifically for the openings of these same books
- etc.

When learning engines and EXP files appeared, it is easy to understand that Sedat (at the very least) had no interest or (at worst) was afraid that these technologies (learning engines / EXP files) would make him lose decades of tests and data on the books.

But this is everyone's lot :
- fiber replaced copper so all metal fitters/cablemen were afraid of losing their decades of experience especially those who had no skills in handling optical fibers or fiber welding tools.
- batteries started replacing thermal engines so all mechanics were afraid of losing their decades of experience especially those who had no skills in recharging and battery cells
- etc.

For Sedat, it was not and still is not in his interest that these technologies (learning engines / EXP files) show their advantages on books because :
- he does not train learning engines (and it takes years so imagine his delay...)
- he has no idea of ​​the impact of a given EXP file on a given learning engine
- (for years) he still has not understood the difference in settings for tournaments (tourney mode) and for learning (training mode)
- he has no idea of ​​the impact of the settings for a given EXP file (reminder)

The conditions have never been right for good relations between book testers and engine trainers.
That's why we find very very few EXP files in the tournaments of the main TDs.
And in addition TDs don't have the tools for any engine to use any EXP file (unlike the same engine can use several books).

[deeds]

Question:
-Did Deeds get a permission (for Igbo.exp) from Mr. Jorge Centelles?

Bad pick because Igbo trains the Hypnos engine and by using the EXP author + the EXP filename it allow to avoid merging experience data from different engines :

Oops Try again !

Question:
-Did Deeds share his latest tour games on Openchess?

Here we don't do like in the cheaters' places, we don't break the rules.
The rule in the case of private engines/books/files is not to share the games in a public space.
Authors of private engines/books/files receive their games via email/pm with a password-protected download link.
They don't even need to send a request to give them.

Question:
-Did Deeds inform his tour conditions (on Openchess)?

Here, not only I give the tournament conditions but i also explain the algorithm of the learning engine/EXP file combinations :


Oops Try again !

Question:
-Why Deeds main exp never played in independent sources?

Already answered several times :
- an EXP file is a database, we do not measure the strength of a database, we measure its content, the precision of its data.
- the TDs haven't the tool to use any EXP file with any (even non-learning) engine
Oops Try again !