Hello Roger,ConRog wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:07 amHi deeds,deeds wrote: ↑Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:03 pm
The old era of static chess with opening books is dying since people train learning engines. In computer chess era, it became absurd to run engines from starting position. Fishtest uses opening lists, Stockfish doesn't handle books, we have tools to reveal openings handled or not by books, it's the end.
I don't think the era of engines, plying with well tuned opening books, is dying.
The goal of opening books is to go fast, and without loosing any microsecond, on maximum depth and on the best position, so that the engine will keep all remaining time to play maximum strength VS opponent which will have little time left because of losing precious seconds before the end of book line.
Good books will always beat a learning engine at all time controls.
Best regards.
As usual, good points by you!
Just I'd like to add,
No much chances to be beatable the strongest opening books!
They are as BEAST...fighting until the last straw for sure!
Same words are going to the strongest Exp files as well..
On other hand,
I still believe that a well-trained/super strong Exp may overcome vs
Many of the Top books e.g in Duel III, Exp file managed to do that:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-vs-exp-3
After all,
Time will tell about who will be 1st Champ as Exp or Book:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-1
But I admit also that,
RapToRa engine's learning is outstanding, it seems one of best!
Why I say like this, e.g as far as I noticed, RapTora 2.2 prefers
The learned moves in auto (e.g not thinking in learned positions)
Where some others are thinking..even in theirs 1st opening moves!
Sure I'm NOT expert on Eng learning..very likely the eng programmers
Will explain better than Me...
By the way (when Book vs EXP CS I tour will be resumed):
SugaR XPrO 240523 is planning to be as next new entry...
Best,
Sedat