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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:40 pm

Meanwhile, just I'd like to inform all you that
According to Lichess eng database (based on 2020-2021 played data),
The highest Elo points belongs to Nezh-BOT: 4919 / 4970
That means with 98.97% win. percentage... :roll: but I did not include Nezh's results,
Due to my Lichess ranking is based on only latest months.. but if adding.. Nezh BOT's
Points were 3555 Elo, about + 400 Elo points better than ProteusSFX AI :difus_23

Ok...if I was new in chess, I mean as a beginner.. I'd believe... :mrgreen:
But I am not..since a long time I am in chess..+45 years...a serious period

In other words, there is perfect saying over these issues:
All that glitters is not gold

If still not so clear,
In reality...in our current planet...no way to get these high numbers,
Exception, via playing ONLY vs weak opponents...hehe...
In other words,
via Cherry Picking Method... it's like nothing but self-deception!

One thing more, I have a small announcement:
For those who are hunting for high Elo points...
COME to SCCT... you will be ranked much more..
Very likely over than 3700+ Elo..
And the most important..in a very short time.. and
In same time, with serious number of games (per player)...
What I can do more ?)

Have a nice day,
Sedat

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Re: SedatChess

Post by OrgZ » Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:38 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:41 am
OrgZ wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:44 am
ConRog wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:39 pm
Thank you Sedat for this new tournament.

It's interesting to see that online opening lines from bots are not really optimized.

I noticed this, when I analyzed a little more than 2000 wins games, at the end of 2023, from Lichess bots. I kept only 40 interesting lines for my OPTIMUS database, that's very few. I realized that a lot of bad opening lines from Lichess wins came from opponents that have more than 20 ELO differences. It's clear that even with a bad opening line, a bot with 20 ELO higher than opponent, may win.

This tour is a really good idea.

And happy to see 2 public books at first takings.

Best regards.
The way that i do it. I set elo for white and black as 2800 so that any games having bots who are below 2800 won't be included when i filter out!
It sounds good....but what about who gained
2800+ Elo points via Cherry Pıcking System ?? :roll:

In other words,
Do you believe that these players are using high quality, superior strong openings ?

Greetings )
The thing is i don't just go for any bot. am selective.....

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Re: SedatChess

Post by OrgZ » Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:40 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:41 am
OrgZ wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:44 am
ConRog wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:39 pm
Thank you Sedat for this new tournament.

It's interesting to see that online opening lines from bots are not really optimized.

I noticed this, when I analyzed a little more than 2000 wins games, at the end of 2023, from Lichess bots. I kept only 40 interesting lines for my OPTIMUS database, that's very few. I realized that a lot of bad opening lines from Lichess wins came from opponents that have more than 20 ELO differences. It's clear that even with a bad opening line, a bot with 20 ELO higher than opponent, may win.

This tour is a really good idea.

And happy to see 2 public books at first takings.

Best regards.
The way that i do it. I set elo for white and black as 2800 so that any games having bots who are below 2800 won't be included when i filter out!
It sounds good....but what about who gained
2800+ Elo points via Cherry Pıcking System ?? :roll:

In other words,
Do you believe that these players are using high quality, superior strong openings ?

Greetings )
The thing is i don't just go for any bot. am selective.....
Bots such as Reinforcement trial, raspfish, torombot, Resolute etc are legitimate bots ;)

Tunafish version 1 was created with Reiforcementrial games alone! 8-)

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Re: SedatChess

Post by OrgZ » Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:51 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:14 am
Breaking News - 11.03.2024:
Another update, 13 entries...again many of them are tuned / optimized to
Prefer Online players openings e.g so far TorBot v2 performance is best
Sure I refer about all my created Online books..on other hand, we have 2
New very strong entries: Pyramid by Angel Morano and HCan-Attack by
Hamdullah Can..both Top books are serious opponents to be next Champ
Note also that HCan-Attack and Pyramid will be played min 2000 games..
To be more clear, any of Top 10 will contain min 2000 games (per player)
In this way, Error margin will be less about determining who is best of best
For anyone missed, theirs games will be send sure if request by the authors
Otherwise, no much chances to be tuned...and to perform better...right ?!)
Btw 3 former Champs (DON Hercules,Everest,Red Dragon) entered too,
Simply just out curiosity...and frankly nowadays we can not much expect..
Because as I stated earlier they are old-dated..especially DON Hercules's
Openings are oldest in this tour..but the greatest record belongs to DON...
If not so clear, I mean 6-months old openings to be 6-times Champion!
And let Me say please some words for Everest as 5-months old openings
Still among one of best ranks..really amazing..simply Everest is Everest!
And about Red Dragon..the smallest..just 256 KB (uncompressed size),
But this mini pocket Gladiator shocked many opponents on real Arena!

Current Champion: OPTIMUS - Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!

For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-27

Have fun,
Sedat
:difus_19

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:08 am

OrgZ wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:51 am
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:14 am
Breaking News - 11.03.2024:
Another update, 13 entries...again many of them are tuned / optimized to
Prefer Online players openings e.g so far TorBot v2 performance is best
Sure I refer about all my created Online books..on other hand, we have 2
New very strong entries: Pyramid by Angel Morano and HCan-Attack by
Hamdullah Can..both Top books are serious opponents to be next Champ
Note also that HCan-Attack and Pyramid will be played min 2000 games..
To be more clear, any of Top 10 will contain min 2000 games (per player)
In this way, Error margin will be less about determining who is best of best
For anyone missed, theirs games will be send sure if request by the authors
Otherwise, no much chances to be tuned...and to perform better...right ?!)
Btw 3 former Champs (DON Hercules,Everest,Red Dragon) entered too,
Simply just out curiosity...and frankly nowadays we can not much expect..
Because as I stated earlier they are old-dated..especially DON Hercules's
Openings are oldest in this tour..but the greatest record belongs to DON...
If not so clear, I mean 6-months old openings to be 6-times Champion!
And let Me say please some words for Everest as 5-months old openings
Still among one of best ranks..really amazing..simply Everest is Everest!
And about Red Dragon..the smallest..just 256 KB (uncompressed size),
But this mini pocket Gladiator shocked many opponents on real Arena!

Current Champion: OPTIMUS - Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!

For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-27

Have fun,
Sedat
:difus_19
You are welcome dear Tanick

Like our friend Anton, both of you helped a lot..
Thank you again...

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:15 am

UPDATE

Another new book is currently under test (by Vasid Chouhan),
And as we see, belongs to strongest ones...sure it's early..
But it seems as serious candidate to be one of next Champions:

Code: Select all

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DON 110324, RapT               16      10     319   52.4%   93.4% 
   1 Psycotrance, SF-PB            120     162       6   66.7%   66.7% 
   2 Red Dragon, Raid                0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   3 SolistaBot, Incog               0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   4 Caissa AI, Incog                0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   5 TasmanC Polyf                   0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
   6 VariantsTop, Brain              0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
   7 Fruity23 Cool                   0       0       6   50.0%  100.0% 
   8 IG-88B, RapT                    0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   9 Einband, SF-PB                  0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
  10 Senufo, Brain                   0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
  11 ArasanX, Brain                  0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  12 Sailfish v2, SF-Poly            0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  13 Detlef Uter, Incog              0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
  14 TheFreshman1902, RapT           0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  15 Hazel 290224, Raid              0       0       6   50.0%  100.0% 
  16 JML26, Cool                     0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  17 Tunafish, Raid                  0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  18 Katapulse, Raid                 0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  19 DRAHA, Cool                     0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  20 Slash 76C, Brain                0     145       7   50.0%   71.4% 
  21 Flavo R5, Raid                  0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  22 TURKEY 2024, SF-PB              0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  23 TorBot v2, Incog                0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  24 Unicornio-Final, Brain          0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  25 HCanFree 24, RapT               0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  26 HCan-Attack, RapT               0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  27 Pyramid, RapT                   0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  28 OPTIMUS 2401, RapT              0       0      10   50.0%  100.0% 
  29 Everest 300923, Brain         -39      73       9   44.4%   88.9% 
  30 HCan 290224, Brain            -39      73       9   44.4%   88.9% 
  31 Compchess60, Raid             -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  32 ORIONPAX 5, SF-PB             -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  33 SENTINEL 5, SF-PB             -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  34 DON Hercules3, Cool           -50      94       7   42.9%   85.7% 
  35 Leschats 290224, Eman         -50      94       7   42.9%   85.7% 
  36 ProteusSFX, SF-PB             -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  37 Boller1910, Raid              -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  38 EmptikBot, Eman               -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  39 Fireball-64, Polyf            -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  40 Soulrider4ever, Raid          -89     116       8   37.5%   75.0% 
  41 ToromBot, Brain              -120     162       6   33.3%   66.7% 
  42 EtaBeta, SF-PB               -120     162       6   33.3%   66.7% 

319 of 2100 games finished.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:02 am

OrgZ wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:40 am

Tunafish version 1 was created with Reiforcementrial games alone! 8-)
Oh.. now is more clear... :wink:

Because I was wondering why and how
Tunafish v1 performed better than v2

So they are two different to each other...

But next time please inform Me,
In case of totally different versions.. :)
Even would be not bad idea to give a diff. name
I mean against any confusions... right ?)
Otherwise, I was thinking maybe there is something wrong in my setup ))

Greetings

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Homayoun » Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:22 am

Dear Sedat
Hi
Thank you very much for tests.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by OrgZ » Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:23 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:02 am
OrgZ wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:40 am

Tunafish version 1 was created with Reiforcementrial games alone! 8-)
Oh.. now is more clear... :wink:

Because I was wondering why and how
Tunafish v1 performed better than v2

So they are two different to each other...

But next time please inform Me,
In case of totally different versions.. :)
Even would be not bad idea to give a diff. name
I mean against any confusions... right ?)
Otherwise, I was thinking maybe there is something wrong in my setup ))

Greetings
😂yeah ill let you know the difference next time😉

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Re: SedatChess

Post by OrgZ » Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:25 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:15 am
UPDATE

Another new book is currently under test (by Vasid Chouhan),
And as we see, belongs to strongest ones...sure it's early..
But it seems as serious candidate to be one of next Champions:

Code: Select all

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DON 110324, RapT               16      10     319   52.4%   93.4% 
   1 Psycotrance, SF-PB            120     162       6   66.7%   66.7% 
   2 Red Dragon, Raid                0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   3 SolistaBot, Incog               0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   4 Caissa AI, Incog                0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   5 TasmanC Polyf                   0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
   6 VariantsTop, Brain              0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
   7 Fruity23 Cool                   0       0       6   50.0%  100.0% 
   8 IG-88B, RapT                    0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
   9 Einband, SF-PB                  0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
  10 Senufo, Brain                   0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
  11 ArasanX, Brain                  0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  12 Sailfish v2, SF-Poly            0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  13 Detlef Uter, Incog              0       0       7   50.0%  100.0% 
  14 TheFreshman1902, RapT           0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  15 Hazel 290224, Raid              0       0       6   50.0%  100.0% 
  16 JML26, Cool                     0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  17 Tunafish, Raid                  0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  18 Katapulse, Raid                 0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  19 DRAHA, Cool                     0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  20 Slash 76C, Brain                0     145       7   50.0%   71.4% 
  21 Flavo R5, Raid                  0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  22 TURKEY 2024, SF-PB              0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  23 TorBot v2, Incog                0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  24 Unicornio-Final, Brain          0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  25 HCanFree 24, RapT               0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  26 HCan-Attack, RapT               0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  27 Pyramid, RapT                   0       0       9   50.0%  100.0% 
  28 OPTIMUS 2401, RapT              0       0      10   50.0%  100.0% 
  29 Everest 300923, Brain         -39      73       9   44.4%   88.9% 
  30 HCan 290224, Brain            -39      73       9   44.4%   88.9% 
  31 Compchess60, Raid             -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  32 ORIONPAX 5, SF-PB             -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  33 SENTINEL 5, SF-PB             -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  34 DON Hercules3, Cool           -50      94       7   42.9%   85.7% 
  35 Leschats 290224, Eman         -50      94       7   42.9%   85.7% 
  36 ProteusSFX, SF-PB             -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  37 Boller1910, Raid              -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  38 EmptikBot, Eman               -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  39 Fireball-64, Polyf            -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  40 Soulrider4ever, Raid          -89     116       8   37.5%   75.0% 
  41 ToromBot, Brain              -120     162       6   33.3%   66.7% 
  42 EtaBeta, SF-PB               -120     162       6   33.3%   66.7% 

319 of 2100 games finished.
Thanks director 😉

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