SedatChess

[OrgZ]

BTW, JUST ANOTHER NTERESTING DUEL IS STARTED !!

Zeus 26.5 Blitz (2m+1s) Vs Branlearn 27 Bullet (30s+0.5s)

Some Notes / Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, Balsa, 4-MEN
For Brainlearn 64 MB Hash, for Zeus 128 MB Hash
Min. 1000 Games are planning to be played out...

Meanwhile, any opinions: who will win ?)
Zeus Blitz or Brainlearn Bullet ?

Best,
Sedat

Dual net has advantage here Sedat🥲

[Sedat Canbaz]

BTW, JUST ANOTHER NTERESTING DUEL IS STARTED !!

Zeus 26.5 Blitz (2m+1s) Vs Branlearn 27 Bullet (30s+0.5s)

Some Notes / Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, Balsa, 4-MEN
For Brainlearn 64 MB Hash, for Zeus 128 MB Hash
Min. 1000 Games are planning to be played out...

Meanwhile, any opinions: who will win ?)
Zeus Blitz or Brainlearn Bullet ?

Best,
Sedat

Dual net has advantage here Sedat🥲

Interesting opinion... )

Yes.. that's true Tanick ) So your guess is that,
Brainlearn Bullet will get better points over Zeus Blitz, right ?

Greetings

[OrgZ]

Indeed. From version 25.2 brainlearn had my attention. Which ended up swapping shash with him. Its has been a very good adversary against my derivatives. Been loving Brainlearn from that version shash is no longer the shash that i know, so i use brainlearn now.

Point is, the latest brainlearn versions are not that slow and boring, they have been exciting to was and with very interesting choice of moves in both bullets and blitz. Zues 26.5 is old the last version that saw live was version 50 (if not mistaken) so you see the difference in versions?.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Indeed. From version 25.2 brainlearn had my attention. Which ended up swapping shash with him. Its has been a very good adversary against my derivatives. Been loving Brainlearn from that version shash is no longer the shash that i know, so i use brainlearn now.

Point is, the latest brainlearn versions are not that slow and boring, they have been exciting to was and with very interesting choice of moves in both bullets and blitz. Zues 26.5 is old the last version that saw live was version 50 (if not mistaken) so you see the difference in versions?.

I see the differences of course.. )

Actually my question was not exactly that but.. anyhow ))

Well, and frankly
In most cases...my target and pay attention more
Over public chess engines, because private engines
Are not so useful for overall chess community, right ?)

Note also that in past, from Zeus author (Kerveros)
I was getting frequent the latest Zeus releases, but
Later I switched testing mainly to public releases..
So I tested Zeus 26.5 version as last public one... sure
If there is newer Zeus to public..just let me know please
Note: I am aware that there is Zeus 27..but close to v 26.5
Even I can say Zeus 27 performed weaker than Zeus 26.5

Btw, as you know, I test Private books too, but situation
Is not exactly same as private engines, because from
Book Authors view...mostly wish that their strongest lines to
To be remained secretly.. if will be publicly available..
Then quite easy to be blocked... sure I am talking for
Experienced Top book makers...


Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE

Well, here are my latest organized strength testings,
And as we see, mostly are quite close in strength...

SCCT - Bullet Rating (30s+0.5s):

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 Brainlearn 27    3780    3    3  1500   51%  3775   95% 
   2 CoolIris 11.80   3778    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   3 SF-PB 080124     3776    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   4 Polyfish 140124  3776    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   5 Raid v3.4        3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   6 CoolIris 11.90   3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   7 SF POLY 220723   3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   95% 
   8 SF POLY 261123   3775    3    3  1500   50%  3775   96% 
   9 Eman 9.90        3775    3    3  1500   50%  3776   95% 
  10 Incognito 5 Pro  3774    3    3  1500   50%  3776   94% 
  11 ShashChess 34.6  3771    3    3  1500   49%  3776   94% 

Rating's Draw Ratio (based on 8250 games) is high: 95%

Here are the next new Duels...Bullet 2024 Vs Blitz 2022
And all of below Duels are played just out of curiosity... enjoy )

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Test 1: Bullet (30s+05s) Vs Blitz (2m+1s): 6 Elo difference
                           
1   Zeus 26.5 2m+1s        +17/-9/=474 50.80%  254.0/500
2   Brainlearn 27 30s+05s  +9/-17/=474 49.20%  246.0/500

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Test 2: Bullet (30s+05s) Vs Blitz (2m+1s): 6 Elo difference
                                            
1   Kayra 1.5 2m+1s         +15/-7/=478 50.80%  254.0/500
2   CoolIris 11.80 30s+05s  +7/-15/=478 49.20%  246.0/500

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Test 3: Bullet (45s+05s) Vs Blitz (2m+1s): No Elo difference
                                                                  
1   Kayra 1.5 2m+1s        +9/-9/=482 50.00%  250.0/500 
2   Brainlearn 27 45s+05s  +9/-9/=482 50.00%  250.0/500  

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/uhhFxTJQ#BFHcwaBRA ... Kr0TZ1C_Hc

As final words,
For a better conclusion we need more various strength testings
But anyhow, now we have some data, which seems to be not bad
E.g 2024's Bullet games can be counted as Blitz of 2022 year!!

In other words,
If I will run Bullet Books Tours (by latest SF- Based NN Engines)
The planning games are expecting not so bad in quality too!
Sure we'll see plenty of draws..but if we want to be in trend
For right now I can not see any other way...what about you?

And I hope current new strength results to be useful too!

Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE 2

NEW HASH TEST (1m+0.5s): 64 MB Vs 128 MB

And as we see, 2.3 Elo (in favor for 64 MB Hash)

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Score of Incognito 128mb vs Incognito 64mb: 5 - 9 - 586 [0.497]
...      Incognito 128mb playing White: 4 - 1 - 295  [0.505] 300
...      Incognito 128mb playing Black: 1 - 8 - 291  [0.488] 300
...      White vs Black: 12 - 2 - 586  [0.508] 600

Elo difference: -2.3 +/- 4.2, LOS: 14.3 %, DrawRatio: 97.7 %
600 of 600 games finished.

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 1m+0.5s, Balsa, 4-MEN
NOTE: Incognito 5 PRO is used (for both players 2 copies installed)

Hope this new HASH test helps too!

Ok dear chess friends, see you later.. )
Sure the games will be shared later too)

Best,
Sedat

[Anton101]

Sure, help a lot.

[Homayoun]

Thank you very much for tests updates.
Best regards

[Sedat Canbaz]

Sure, help a lot.

I am glad )

[Sedat Canbaz]

Thank you very much for tests updates.
Best regards

Not at all.. it is my pleasure Homayoun )

Greetings