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[Sedat Canbaz]

New: SCCT - Top Similarity Overview - 28.08.2023

Hello there )

As usual, I'm pleased to announce that,
Here are latest Top Similarity Results!

And to be more clear,
Main target of running current sim test:
Soon a new SCCT rating is coming...and
As far as possible, I plan to test engines,
Which are less than 75% in similarity!
Thanks for your understanding!

More Details,
So far new 22 SF based engines are tested..
Where mostly of them are not very close !!
But several are almost identical in playing
Styles..and as reason based on same source!

Btw, here are those 10 engines, which have
The highest similarities (each other) so far:

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 1. Polyfish 070823 and Stockfish 070823: 99.60%	
 2. Polyfish 210623 and SF-PB 190623: 99.60%	
 3. Polyfish 210623 and SF-Polyglot 220623: 99.40%	
 4. SF-PB 160823 and Stockfish 160823: 99.40%	
 6. SF-PB 240823 and Stockfish 240823: 98.60%	
 7. CorChess-SE-260823 sl and Sun 1.0-2560: 98.40%

 8. Patzer AI 220823 and Polyfish 070823: 75.95%
 9. Polyfish 070823 and SF-PB 240823: 75.75%
10. Polyfish 070823 and Stockfish 240823: 75.75%

Download all the rest similarity results:
https://mega.nz/file/Tw4H0a4I#10oaFgM9I ... bxxKPehic4

Test Conditions:
Ryzen7 4800H, Simex2, 500 Openings, 1 Thread, Time: 100 ms, 64 MB Hash
Note: Polyfish 210623 and SF-PB 190623 tested again..to see the influence
With new conditions..so it is clear that even 500 openings are enough!

As Final Words,
I hope to see newer and better original ideas! otherwise if all
Engines will be based on same code..then what is the point ?)
I understand of course that the target is to use BIN books..but
Too many cooks spoil the stew )


Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

New Update:
CatroPOLY 310723 and Cool-Iris 11.10 are entered...

By the way,
Here are the chess engines, which are not so close:

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Brainlearn 25.2 and RapTora 2.2-AC: 65.93%	
Polyfish 210623 and Stockfish 220823-sl: 65.93%	
Corchess 240823 and RapTora 2.2-AC: 65.73%
EMAN 9.40 and RapTora 2.2-AC: 65.73%	
RapTora 2.2-AC and SF-PB 160823:65.53%	
LittleBeast 2-sl and SF-PB 240823: 65.33%	
CatroPOLY 310723 and RapTora 2.2-AC: 65.33%
RapTora 2.2-AC and SF-Polyglot 220623: 65.33%	
RapTora 2.2-AC and Stockfish 160823: 65.33%	
Polyfish 210623 and RapTora 2.2-AC: 65.13%
CatroPOLY 310723 and LittleBeast 2-sl: 65.13%	
RapTora 2.2-AC and SF-PB 190623: 65.13%	
CorChess-SE-260823 sl and RapTora 2.2-AC: 64.93%
CatroPOLY 310723 and SF-PB 190623: 64.93%	
Corchess 240823 and Sun 1.0-2560: 64.93%	
LittleBeast 2-sl and Stockfish 240823: 64.93%	
RapTora 2.2-AC and Sun 1.0-2560: 64.93%	
CatroPOLY 310723 and SF-Polyglot 220623: 64.73%
CatroPOLY 310723 and Polyfish 210623: 64.73%
CatroPOLY 310723 and CorChess-SE-260823 sl: 64.73%
LittleBeast 2-sl and Stockfish 220823-sl: 64.73%
CatroPOLY 310723 and Sun 1.0-2560: 64.53%	
EMAN 9.40 and Stockfish 220823-sl: 64.33%	
Octopus 080823 and RapTora 2.2-AC: 64.33%
CatroPOLY 310723 and Stockfish 220823-sl: 63.73%	
RapTora 2.2-AC and Stockfish 220823-sl: 62.53%

Note: Lower percentage values are better!

And how nice to see such Top chess engines,
Which are based on more original own ideas!

What I can say more... and again and again,
RapTora is RapTora: most different than all!
Not via papers of course, but in real facts!
Same words going for many others as well!


Best,
Sedat

[Homayoun]

Hi Mr. Sedat
Many thanks. But for me there is a question. Why swordfish engine has never any place in your tests. When we talk about engines which are clones but the author had success to create almost a different and attractive playing style from stockfish first of all I remember blue marlin and swordfish and author Dorsz. It is my personal opinion, with great respect to other authors too.
Best regards

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hi Mr. Sedat
Many thanks. But for me there is a question. Why swordfish engine has never any place in your tests. When we talk about engines which are clones but the author had success to create almost a different and attractive playing style from stockfish first of all I remember blue marlin and swordfish and author Dorsz. It is my personal opinion, with great respect to other authors too.
Best regards

Mr. Homayoun,

Thanks for pointing out!

Reason not included Swordfish,
Due to no free time for all...

You may know,
A lot of efforts are required for all this job,
But very soon I will include some more...

Greetings )

[Homayoun]

Thanks again.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Thanks again.

You are welcome )

Btw, actually Swordfish 15.5 several months ago is already tested:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -july-2023

But anyhow..I managed to test it again...
So..Swordfish 15.5's sim average 70%-73% to rest...

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

By the way, about BlueMarlin 15.7 sim test:
A new similarity test is not required at all,
Because already played in SCCT ratings etc.:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-nn-cs-32

[OrgZ]

New: SCCT - Top Similarity Overview - 28.08.2023

Hello there )

As usual, I'm pleased to announce that,
Here are latest Top Similarity Results!

And to be more clear,
Main target of running current sim test:
Soon a new SCCT rating is coming...and
As far as possible, I plan to test engines,
Which are less than 75% in similarity!
Thanks for your understanding!

More Details,
So far new 22 SF based engines are tested..
Where mostly of them are not very close !!
But several are almost identical in playing
Styles..and as reason based on same source!

Btw, here are those 10 engines, which have
The highest similarities (each other) so far:

Code: Select all

 1. Polyfish 070823 and Stockfish 070823: 99.60%	
 2. Polyfish 210623 and SF-PB 190623: 99.60%	
 3. Polyfish 210623 and SF-Polyglot 220623: 99.40%	
 4. SF-PB 160823 and Stockfish 160823: 99.40%	
 6. SF-PB 240823 and Stockfish 240823: 98.60%	
 7. CorChess-SE-260823 sl and Sun 1.0-2560: 98.40%

 8. Patzer AI 220823 and Polyfish 070823: 75.95%
 9. Polyfish 070823 and SF-PB 240823: 75.75%
10. Polyfish 070823 and Stockfish 240823: 75.75%

Download all the rest similarity results:
https://mega.nz/file/Tw4H0a4I#10oaFgM9I ... bxxKPehic4

Test Conditions:
Ryzen7 4800H, Simex2, 500 Openings, 1 Thread, Time: 100 ms, 64 MB Hash
Note: Polyfish 210623 and SF-PB 190623 tested again..to see the influence
With new conditions..so it is clear that even 500 openings are enough!

As Final Words,
I hope to see newer and better original ideas! otherwise if all
Engines will be based on same code..then what is the point ?)
I understand of course that the target is to use BIN books..but
Too many cooks spoil the stew )


Best,
Sedat

That's high for Patzer AI

On how those engines evaluate I believe they will evaluate and view positions the same way, but searching for moves will be different. Of course many moves will be similar since they r from one source code.

I'll try to twist the next update more

Anyway Tnx 4 the test

[Sedat Canbaz]

New: SCCT - Top Similarity Overview - 28.08.2023

Hello there )

As usual, I'm pleased to announce that,
Here are latest Top Similarity Results!

And to be more clear,
Main target of running current sim test:
Soon a new SCCT rating is coming...and
As far as possible, I plan to test engines,
Which are less than 75% in similarity!
Thanks for your understanding!

More Details,
So far new 22 SF based engines are tested..
Where mostly of them are not very close !!
But several are almost identical in playing
Styles..and as reason based on same source!

Btw, here are those 10 engines, which have
The highest similarities (each other) so far:

Code: Select all

 1. Polyfish 070823 and Stockfish 070823: 99.60%	
 2. Polyfish 210623 and SF-PB 190623: 99.60%	
 3. Polyfish 210623 and SF-Polyglot 220623: 99.40%	
 4. SF-PB 160823 and Stockfish 160823: 99.40%	
 6. SF-PB 240823 and Stockfish 240823: 98.60%	
 7. CorChess-SE-260823 sl and Sun 1.0-2560: 98.40%

 8. Patzer AI 220823 and Polyfish 070823: 75.95%
 9. Polyfish 070823 and SF-PB 240823: 75.75%
10. Polyfish 070823 and Stockfish 240823: 75.75%

Download all the rest similarity results:
https://mega.nz/file/Tw4H0a4I#10oaFgM9I ... bxxKPehic4

Test Conditions:
Ryzen7 4800H, Simex2, 500 Openings, 1 Thread, Time: 100 ms, 64 MB Hash
Note: Polyfish 210623 and SF-PB 190623 tested again..to see the influence
With new conditions..so it is clear that even 500 openings are enough!

As Final Words,
I hope to see newer and better original ideas! otherwise if all
Engines will be based on same code..then what is the point ?)
I understand of course that the target is to use BIN books..but
Too many cooks spoil the stew )


Best,
Sedat

That's high for Patzer AI

On how those engines evaluate I believe they will evaluate and view positions the same way, but searching for moves will be different. Of course many moves will be similar since they r from one source code.

I'll try to twist the next update more

Anyway Tnx 4 the test

Thanks for your valuable comments as usual

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

By the way,
When I run/test something new: no peace for my side...
Especially when I'm very active on computer chess forum/s...
Actually I can..but I've no assistant.. so no free time for all!
Plus in this way, I think that the MODs job will be easier!

And mainly for these kind of reasons, since today:
I'll try to stay as not so frequent member at any forum!
Plus...I do not want to make any double standard...

Sure in next September,
You can follow my all chess activities from SedatChess site!

Thank you for your understanding and reading!

Best,
Sedat