Patzer AI 020223

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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:29 pm

And as I promised,

Here are the latest played results, where this time
Tactical 220823 engine is managed to perform better:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3600&p=29432#p29432

Btw, for better stats.. instead of 400 games,
I have realized to play over than 600 games ...

Greetings )

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:51 pm

Ohh I thought that by mentioning default settings of engines will clear out the other questions for example ponder etc. Nothing that doesn't come with the engines was used (UCI options were not changed apart from exp feature only).

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Anton101 » Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:58 pm

Best regards dear friend OrgZ...See you until next update for TACTICAL, I think in three weeks.

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:56 pm

Until the next update, am looking forward to the challenge 😁

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:06 pm

OrgZ wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:51 pm
Ohh I thought that by mentioning default settings of engines will clear out the other questions for example ponder etc. Nothing that doesn't come with the engines was used (UCI options were not changed apart from exp feature only).
Well,

Now is more clear.. but not 100%
Rather I'd say about 50% is clear ))

In other words,
If you used eng as defaults (in your test),
Then both Top chess engines are played:

16 MB hash
1 thread
Move overhead: 10
No endgames


Anyhow there are some issues in your testing,
Which are still not clear (for our side) e.g

Large Page OFF or ON ?

Hyper-Threading OFF or ON ?

Ponder OFF or ON ?

Btw, 'Ponder' can be enabled/disabled by GUI etc.
So we do not know your test: Ponder ON or OFF
Actually if you share your 40 played games, then
It will be easier to see: Ponder ON or OFF )

Continuing...

If I was in your shoes,
I'd prefer for Blitz or Bullet:

- Hyper-Threading OFF
- Large-Pages OFF
- 1 Core
- Book: Unique
- Ponder OFF
- Hash 128 MB (Blitz)
- Hash 64 MB (Bullet)
- Move Overhead: 100
- 4-MEN Syzygybases

And running at least: 400 games (per player)

Meanwhile,
Why 4-MEN Syzygy (not higher)? let's allow less assistance!
Why Unique (not deeper lines)? let's allow less assistance!

Otherwise...if we'd give too much assistance..then
No much chances to see the real engine strength !!
I think as assistance (Evalfile) is enough..even
I can say too much..but we have to be in trend )

For further info please don't hesitate to ask...

Best,
Sedat

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Aug 26, 2023 9:13 pm

Meanwhile,
Actually you are free to run even as Ponder ON too,
But really not so good idea to use 100% CPU usage
Because your machine does not support many cores!

For example (in my case),
Usually I prefer up to 50% CPU usage

It is something like,
Tester = Driver
Computer = Bus
Cores = Seats
Engines = Passengers

And just imagine..If we will drive our bus non-stop,
And with maximum speed.. plus with full passengers,
Then there is a BIG possibility to make accidents, right ?)

Greetings )

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Anton101 » Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:01 pm

Sure OrgZ, sounds like a nice plan for me! ;)

See you in three weeks with the updates.

Best regards;

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:44 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:06 pm
OrgZ wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:51 pm
Ohh I thought that by mentioning default settings of engines will clear out the other questions for example ponder etc. Nothing that doesn't come with the engines was used (UCI options were not changed apart from exp feature only).
Well,

Now is more clear.. but not 100%
Rather I'd say about 50% is clear ))

In other words,
If you used eng as defaults (in your test),
Then both Top chess engines are played:

16 MB hash
1 thread
Move overhead: 10
No endgames


Anyhow there are some issues in your testing,
Which are still not clear (for our side) e.g

Large Page OFF or ON ?

Hyper-Threading OFF or ON ?

Ponder OFF or ON ?

Btw, 'Ponder' can be enabled/disabled by GUI etc.
So we do not know your test: Ponder ON or OFF
Actually if you share your 40 played games, then
It will be easier to see: Ponder ON or OFF )

Continuing...

If I was in your shoes,
I'd prefer for Blitz or Bullet:

- Hyper-Threading OFF
- Large-Pages OFF
- 1 Core
- Book: Unique
- Ponder OFF
- Hash 128 MB (Blitz)
- Hash 64 MB (Bullet)
- Move Overhead: 100
- 4-MEN Syzygybases

And running at least: 400 games (per player)

Meanwhile,
Why 4-MEN Syzygy (not higher)? let's allow less assistance!
Why Unique (not deeper lines)? let's allow less assistance!

Otherwise...if we'd give too much assistance..then
No much chances to see the real engine strength !!
I think as assistance (Evalfile) is enough..even
I can say too much..but we have to be in trend )

For further info please don't hesitate to ask...

Best,
Sedat
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll use that 😉

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Sun Aug 27, 2023 1:44 am

Anton101 wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:01 pm
Sure OrgZ, sounds like a nice plan for me! ;)

See you in three weeks with the updates.

Best regards;
👍

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Sun Aug 27, 2023 6:35 am

Here are those games you requested Mr Sedat.
https://pixeldrain.com/u/rP2Z2rag

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