TACTICAL 120723

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OrgZ
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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by OrgZ » Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:41 pm

Tnx

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by Homayoun » Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:44 pm

Anton101 wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:07 pm
TACTICAL 220823 updated with SF 16 DEV 220823

The Winrar contains: engine TATICAL in avx2-bmi2 and modern, (a-b-m), src, LOGO, SugaR defrag and license.

Download in Pixeldrain: https://pixeldrain.com/u/A39Y1bYd

Download in MEGA: https://mega.nz/file/OM4glIYT#3Fds7cWIV ... oPjTYv_dHY

Happy test and games! ;)

A. Ces
Many thanks, for sharing your great work.

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:01 pm

Homayoun wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:44 pm
Anton101 wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:07 pm
TACTICAL 220823 updated with SF 16 DEV 220823

The Winrar contains: engine TATICAL in avx2-bmi2 and modern, (a-b-m), src, LOGO, SugaR defrag and license.

Download in Pixeldrain: https://pixeldrain.com/u/A39Y1bYd

Download in MEGA: https://mega.nz/file/OM4glIYT#3Fds7cWIV ... oPjTYv_dHY

Happy test and games! ;)

A. Ces
Many thanks, for sharing your great work.
Yes Mr. Homayoun

The same words are going by Me!

Greetings

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by Anton101 » Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:35 pm

Many thanks and best regards!

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by wolfie74 » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:49 am

Hi, I have one question re benchmark.
I quite cannot understand why the bench of Tactical is significantly less powerfull than original stockfish.
Here is the latest original stockfish dev

Stockfish by the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS file) AVX2

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Total time (ms) : 2104
Nodes searched  : 2583619
Nodes/second    : 1227955

while latest tactical shows on the same environment:
TACTICAL 220823 by A. Ces,Thanks to M.Z. for new exp file, the Stockfish developers (see AUTHORS file) AVX2

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Total time (ms) : 2177
Nodes searched  : 1574347
Nodes/second    : 723172
Also when I try to match the two engines Arena,Xboard pure play (no books), the original Stockfish wins 80 % of games.
Even though I set Tactical to use CTG Book Fauzi33 and experience file, Tactical lose in majority of the games.
I tried to use BMI2 versions but it is the same (similar) situation


What am I missing here?
Thanks for help!

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by Anton101 » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:07 pm

Hi! I am using a different command to compile, it must be that...I use the mingw64 environment...On the other hand, if you are going to play TACTICAL vs other engines, leave the "tactical" parameters at zero. On my PC, benchmarks are faster than SF, but these builds, from what I see in your numbers are negative on other PCs... So, the only solution that comes to me is to use the mingw64 commands for default like: (make -j profile -build ARCH, etc.). Thanks for this notice.

Regards.

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by wolfie74 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:04 am

HI Anton,
thank you for your reply.
Unfortunatelly I am not experienced with building from the sources, but I will study how to do it and try to compile the EXE file from the source.
WIll let you know about the result.

As for the play, I did not set tactical to any number, I just tried to match other stockfish and stockfish derivates with default values:
The only parameter I always change for all engines is Move Overhead to 100, as lower numbers make the engine "lose on time" in Arena..

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[TACTICAL 220823_a]
Debug Log File=
Threads=12
Hash=16
Ponder=false
MultiPV=1
Skill Level=20
Move Overhead=100
Slow Mover=100
Minimum Thinking Time=0
nodestime=0
UCI_Chess960=false
UCI_LimitStrength=false
UCI_Elo=1320
UCI_ShowWDL=false
SyzygyPath=<empty>
SyzygyProbeDepth=1
Syzygy50MoveRule=true
SyzygyProbeLimit=7
CTG/BIN Book 1 File=<empty>
Book 1 Width=1
Book 1 Depth=255
(CTG) Book 1 Only Green=false
CTG/BIN Book 2 File=<empty>
Book 2 Width=1
Book 2 Depth=255
(CTG) Book 2 Only Green=false
CTG/BIN Book 3 File=<empty>
Book 3 Width=1
Book 3 Depth=255
(CTG) Book 3 Only Green=false
Experience Enabled=true
Experience File=tactical.exp
Experience Readonly=false
Experience Book=true
Experience Book Best Move=true
Experience Book Eval Importance=5
Experience Book Min Depth=20
Experience Book Max Moves=100
Tactical=0
Tactical_Depth=0
Variety=false
EvalFile=nn-c38c3d8d3920.nnue
The strange thing is, that even if I set SF Tactical to use very strong CTG book (Fauzi 3.3), it still loses the game against stock SF or any other SF derivate that does not have CTG book set.



Thank you and have a nice day

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by wolfie74 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:29 am

Anton, hi again, I installed MSYS64 and sucessfully compiled with mingw64 with command

the NPS of compiled tactical is slightly better, but still does not come any close to STOCK SF.

Now I am running the tournament agaist other 10 engines, will let you know.

bregs

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Total time (ms) : 2351
Nodes searched : 1663829
Nodes/second : 707711

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by Anton101 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:52 am

Hi!

Put the CTG book in the same folder as the TACTICAL engine...The makefile is updated to the latest SF development...I'll be interested to see the results you get. Thank you.

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Re: TACTICAL 120723

Post by Anton101 » Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:54 am

Tomorrow I'll send you the "build tester tool" and you can check the bench of the engines.

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