ProteusSF-Aureo released

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello there )

1st of all,
Sad to read that both of you are not in friendly dialogue..

On other hand,
I wonder: what happened that the situation is changed?
E.g some time ago, I've seen many times ProteusSF's author,
AlexChess was suggesting to be used Eduard's books!?

By the way, and to be honest:
I don't pay too much attention to the Playchess Elo Ratings!
Due to, I think that not so hard to gain very high-Elo points!
E.g now I remembered the past (when I was on Playchess server):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... tober-2009
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ugust-2008
Some high-rated players were refusing to play with Me..reason
They were much scared about to NOT loose theirs Elo points!
But after my used calculation methods..theirs actual/real Elo
Are ranked much below...even some of them were not published..
Due to NOT enough games..as we know, for better conclusions:
A lot of games (per player) are required... In other words:
Up to 100-200 games, the error Elo margin can be too high!

And to be more clear,
Using Bayeselo, EloStat, Ordo etc. tools are best, ın case of
Determining about who are best.. and not only on same PCs,
But also for players, who played on Online servers as well!

Greetings

When AlexChess started with its ProteusSF engine in 2022, everything was fine. He actually used my books too. And I, I used its engine, I remember exactly a year ago I even played on the PlayChess server with ProteusSF.

It was all good until AlexChess started promoting its engine differently. First he stopped the free download with the remark that he needed money to finance his homepage. From then on, ProteusSF fans had to donate money so they could get his motor. And then he got even more radical: He and some of his testers created up to 8 accounts on PlayChess alone to boost their own Elo with cheating, not just with cherry picking but with donated points! Those 8 accounts are now gone (they had limited access). Now he and his testers operate Cherry Picking. It's all about business! Computer chess has become a business for him. The main thing for him is to brag and show off, with the idea that people should believe how great his engines play. I will warn against such people and will expose such machinations whether he likes it or not.

Thank you for your replay

Greeting

[Eduard Nemeth]

Update here now today:

https://banksiagui.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=132

3200+

Best performance ever...

My Engine was in the morning higher with about 3218 Elo. But he is the best.

What a shame to boast like that. He hasn't won a single game on PlayChess in almost 400 games. But he lost 7 games. Haven't won a single game yet, but he says best performance ever. Please read it open your eyes. What a shame for our hobby. Only the others won, not him.

It works like this: AlexChess has 3200 Elo and waits, sometimes for a whole day. He waits until someone wins and gets +17 Elo for it. Now someone has 3217 Elo. Now ProteusSF challenges this player. In case of a draw, ProteusSF gets +1 Elo and climbs to 3201 Elo. -1 Elo is subtracted from the opponent. So ProteusSF keeps climbing while the others, the real winners, lose a lot of points after many draws. And what happens if ProteusSF loses a game and gets -17 Elo subtracted? This is not a problem, because then he sometimes even gets +2 Elo if he draws against a player with 3220 Elo. And so on...

[Eduard Nemeth]

What a Genius Engine:


swindled Elos without a single win, but better than everyone else. What is Dark Sister or Eman or whoever.

[Sedat Canbaz]

By the way,
I wish to say: Thanks to ProteusSF's author (Alex) too,
For his private message, which I've read some min ago!

Well, I respect both of you, plus all others authors as well
And I don't want be part of any side...better to be neutral!
As you know, I am as tournament manager... so I hope that to
Test newer engine or book versions released by all of you )
And in case of new SCCT tours, very likely in September 2023
Sure after all, time will tell...


Best,
Sedat

[Eduard Nemeth]

Look at this picture, live:


after 383 games he has not won a single game but lost 7x. In the picture you can see how he does it: Player ig-88a (a friend of mine who also plays with my engine and also with my book) has 3226 Elo at the bottom, which is more than ProteuSF. ig-88a plays in automatic mode, but if he challenges others then ProteuSF immediately preempts him and challenges him manually by hand. In the picture at least 15x in series. Because all games ended in draws, ig-88a lost 8 Elo and ProteuSF got +8 points. Nevertheless, a great record of my friend.

Balance sheet IG-88A:


He has 8 wins and zero losses while ProteuSF has 7 losses and zero wins. But because IG-88A plays against all opponents, his rating drops after every draw as long as he doesn't win again.

Image SolistaChess (my account):


I also only play with Ryzen 2700, a processor from 2018. I also have a good 3200 Elo and 4 wins and no losses. I also play in automatic mode, but who is better? Of course ProteuSF although he didn't win a single game and lost 7 games. Isn't he better who has no defeats but some victories? isn't the one worse who didn't win ANY GAME but lost 7x? Judge for yourself.

[Eduard Nemeth]

By the way,
I wish to say: Thanks to ProteusSF's author (Alex) too,
For his private message, which I've read some min ago!

Well, I respect both of you, plus all others authors as well
And I don't want be part of any side...better to be neutral!
As you know, I am as tournament manager... so I hope that to
Test newer engine or book versions released by all of you )
And in case of new SCCT tours, very likely in September 2023
Sure after all, time will tell...


Best,
Sedat

.better to be neutral? I like being neutral, but when someone brags like AlexChess? Should AlexChess be a bit more modest for now, ok? Me and my friends also play on PlayChess with a lot of success, we create engines and books and we have a lot of fun! And unlike AlexChess we win some games!! AlexChess hasn't won a single game, but he puts himself above us and claims he's the best! No, No!!

[Sedat Canbaz]

By the way,
I wish to say: Thanks to ProteusSF's author (Alex) too,
For his private message, which I've read some min ago!

Well, I respect both of you, plus all others authors as well
And I don't want be part of any side...better to be neutral!
As you know, I am as tournament manager... so I hope that to
Test newer engine or book versions released by all of you )
And in case of new SCCT tours, very likely in September 2023
Sure after all, time will tell...


Best,
Sedat

.better to be neutral? I like being neutral, but when someone brags like AlexChess? Should AlexChess be a bit more modest for now, ok? Me and my friends also play on PlayChess with a lot of success, we create engines and books and we have a lot of fun! And unlike AlexChess we win some games!! AlexChess hasn't won a single game, but he puts himself above us and claims he's the best! No, No!!

Ok...ok... ) but as I stated earlier:
I was wondering why both of you are already not close friends
You know...there are so many books out there..but suggesting
Only your books..that means something, at least for my side!

Continuing...

But I agree with one point here,
No any one is 'BEST' especially if via online games!
Because not fair.. due to hardware speed advantages!

Regarding why I preferred to be as a neutral (as usual),
Just don't take Me wrong...really I've no much idea about
What is going on online nowadays..who is right who is wrong!
So taking part of X side...may lead to wrong conclusions!
And not only on current thread..as same words are going
During your comments vs HCan's author (Hamdullah Can)

And to be more clear, nowadays:
I care much on SCCT tournament games, played on same PC!

And I hope that you understand more now )

Greetings

[IbaiBuR]

Hi Eduard, same on my side.

I have different Lichess Bots featuring different enfines such as Eman, BrainLearn, ShashChess and 2 with Stockfish Dev.

The two bots that run Stockfish Dev use a bunch of books and have very good results in the server because of that, even tho one of them, https://lichess.org/@/ReinforcementTrial runs with one thread.

As soon as it gets a decent rating, ProteusSF bots try to abuse it and it is impressive that they sometimes struggle to win against a 1 thread bot.

Yesterday I blocked him because after helping him setting up a bot, he kept challenging and farming my bots, which is something I dont like, I like my bots to play against different opponents not just one lol.

He even tries to get some elo points by drawing as soon as there is a bot higher than hid bot he does what you described here in Lichess Server too.

As soon as he keeps doing that I wont unblock him. I understand what you say.

Regards,

Ibai

[AlexChess]

By the way,
I wish to say: Thanks to ProteusSF's author (Alex) too,
For his private message, which I've read some min ago!

Well, I respect both of you, plus all others authors as well
And I don't want be part of any side...better to be neutral!
As you know, I am as tournament manager... so I hope that to
Test newer engine or book versions released by all of you )
And in case of new SCCT tours, very likely in September 2023
Sure after all, time will tell...


Best,
Sedat

.better to be neutral? I like being neutral, but when someone brags like AlexChess? Should AlexChess be a bit more modest for now, ok? Me and my friends also play on PlayChess with a lot of success, we create engines and books and we have a lot of fun! And unlike AlexChess we win some games!! AlexChess hasn't won a single game, but he puts himself above us and claims he's the best! No, No!!

Ok...ok... ) but as I stated earlier:
I was wondering why both of you are already not close friends
You know...there are so many books out there..but suggesting
Only your books..that means something, at least for my side!

Continuing...

But I agree with one point here,
No any one is 'BEST' especially if via online games!
Because not fair.. due to hardware speed advantages!

Regarding why I preferred to be as a neutral (as usual),
Just don't take Me wrong...really I've no much idea about
What is going on online nowadays..who is right who is wrong!
So taking part of X side...may lead to wrong conclusions!
And not only on current thread..as same words are going
During your comments vs HCan's author (Hamdullah Can)

And to be more clear, nowadays:
I care much on SCCT tournament games, played on same PC!

And I hope that you understand more now )

Greetings

Thanks Canbaz, AGAIN! About the upper screenshot IG88-A runs on a PC with 88 threads! ProteusSF IS REALLY ROCK SOLID RUNNING ONLY ON 4 CORES! And thanks Eduard to show to everibody my stunning results! (4 Lost games only by server disconnections / +500 played)

[Sedat Canbaz]

By the way,
I wish to say: Thanks to ProteusSF's author (Alex) too,
For his private message, which I've read some min ago!

Well, I respect both of you, plus all others authors as well
And I don't want be part of any side...better to be neutral!
As you know, I am as tournament manager... so I hope that to
Test newer engine or book versions released by all of you )
And in case of new SCCT tours, very likely in September 2023
Sure after all, time will tell...


Best,
Sedat

.better to be neutral? I like being neutral, but when someone brags like AlexChess? Should AlexChess be a bit more modest for now, ok? Me and my friends also play on PlayChess with a lot of success, we create engines and books and we have a lot of fun! And unlike AlexChess we win some games!! AlexChess hasn't won a single game, but he puts himself above us and claims he's the best! No, No!!

Ok...ok... ) but as I stated earlier:
I was wondering why both of you are already not close friends
You know...there are so many books out there..but suggesting
Only your books..that means something, at least for my side!

Continuing...

But I agree with one point here,
No any one is 'BEST' especially if via online games!
Because not fair.. due to hardware speed advantages!

Regarding why I preferred to be as a neutral (as usual),
Just don't take Me wrong...really I've no much idea about
What is going on online nowadays..who is right who is wrong!
So taking part of X side...may lead to wrong conclusions!
And not only on current thread..as same words are going
During your comments vs HCan's author (Hamdullah Can)

And to be more clear, nowadays:
I care much on SCCT tournament games, played on same PC!

And I hope that you understand more now )

Greetings

Thanks Canbaz, AGAIN! About the upper screenshot IG88-A runs on a PC with 88 threads! ProteusSF IS REALLY ROCK SOLID RUNNING ONLY ON 4 cores! And thanks Eduard to show to everibody my stunning results!

Not at all Alex )

Wow.. sounds interesting.. 4 cores vs 88 threads !
Can you share the mentioned game please ?

Btw,
I admit that since a long time I did not create Infinity+Playchess rating
For example, my last created online rating list belongs to 2021 year:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... chess-2021

In other words, and frankly:
I started to wonder what is the current online situation...?)
But there is one true...in case of creating..too complicated
For my side..as reason: too many eng player versions...
And as usual, I merge manually all of them into 'one' player...
So all this BIG work takes so much time...plus we need recent
Online eng database, otherwise no much chances..btw, in past,
Chess Gladiator site serves perfectly huge databases...where
Nowadays..as far as I am aware...no any site to download directly..

Greetings )