when a daily tester lies to people...

[IbaiBuR]

You already know my opinion on all of this DeeDs, I agree with you mostly and you know that...

People who are knowledgeable about learning engines like you and arguably me will know when test results are relevant or not for us... We discussed this too...

Your methods for training are now used widely and by more people because of the results they give...

Dont take me wrong... I just think that arguing is so tiring and it is not the way to continue...

Hope you understand anyways

[Sedat Canbaz]

As long as Sedat lies to people about learning engines he will deserve this name and shame

As long as Sedat reassigns the filenames of experience files or opening books he will deserve this name and shame

If you love liars and saboters, i am ready to break contact with you all, to change forums, to no longer share my tools, to remove my available tools, I don't care.

As we expected... and unfortunately:
Again and again you did not take 0 (zero) lessons, sad!
Actually in my previous post: I was careful via my words..
I've tried to build a PIECE... but for this: Humanity,
Understanding is required...where you are far way of that!
And what we noticed: your childish behavior are same!
Plus once more we noticed that you are as 'hopeless' man!
And no BIG surprise that, you are so many times banned!

By the way, without to not mention this I can't too:
One of the most stupid comments of you is that:
You realized to give 92 credibility points for
The Duel eng match: StockfishMZ vs ProteusSF
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gnqVB_ ... oqKNW/view

But later (e.g in my 1st organized Duel - Book vs Exp),
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ook-vs-exp I mean after when
When StockfishMZ is lost vs Books, you said TONS of Bullshit..
Something like that: Eman exp is belonging to 2021 data etc.
I mean simply that when StockfishMZ (Eman) exp is loosing:
SCCT is not not fair, using stupid settings etc. LOL )), but
When StockfishMZ (Eman) exp is winning: 92 points credibility ))
That's why as usual I say, you are far away to be 'real' expert!
But this is also true, in case of fake accounts: you are as best!

As another hypothalamus damage behavior of you is that,
You tries to fear us, like Deeds tools will be removed...
Or you are going to be far from OpenChess etc and etc.
Come on...what is your point here? the reason: SCCT ?

And once more, do not try to fool all the people here!
As you say that your Depth4 exp is stronger 100-200 Elo
Than latest SF...then send to 3rd party well-known TDs!
Otherwise...your testings are not VALID (in my eyes)
Just in case...be sure, to be used strong openings!
And be sure also Depth4 to be played in rating lists!
Yes..it's very easy via papers...but reality is not so!

Btw, just in case of Depth4 exp test on SSDF rating,
Depth4 exp will gain not much, because TC is 40/120
If CEGT (40/20): no much point diff. is expecting too!
Very likely, under SCCT conditions, we may see as
Depth4 exp to be better in performance..the reason,
Sometimes I use Bullet TC as well...but not 100 Elo,
In my guess, very likely 5-10 Elo than latest SF dev...but
100-200 Elo will be a dream...and as I said before, such
BIG elo Diff. can be archived via very handicapped cond.!

In other words, I can summarize all like that:
Under optimal conditions: 1-2 Elo difference!
Under handicapped cond. 30-40 Elo difference!
Actually even 100-200 Elo can be archived..but
Only via very weak openings...no more no less!

After all,
To be sure 100%..and for a better conclusions:
We need serious ratings, and frankly I pay much
Attention mainly on tours with strong openings!

That's all

[deeds]

...Dont take me wrong... I just think that arguing is so tiring and it is not the way to continue...

Hope you understand anyways

People tell me that as you can see above, Sedat has no intention of wasting his own century of book testing by acknowledging that learning engines perform better he will continue to lie again and again

From our side, engine's trainers know how to find tons of out-of-book in all their opening books so we have the whole future ahead of us

Books, are you ready


Oops

[Sedat Canbaz]

People tell me that as you can see above, Sedat has no intention of wasting his own century of book testing by acknowledging that learning engines perform better he will continue to lie again and again

Too boring...it's time to shut up your BIG mouth!
Just a few examples, where you prefer very often:
Sedat lies, Sedat is daily tester, Sedat-People etc.
Actually I hardly doubt you will ever stop..due to
Such guys (like you): never change theirs minds!!
But who knows? let's hope that I'm wrong..and since
You are PROGRAMMER, you may fix your MISTAKES..LOL

On other hand, I wonder too:
Where do you see a 'lie' by Me ? maybe, you mean
Depth4_Deeds have to be ranked higher than 36th ?
Because, as far as I noticed recently you said that
Your produced dababase is high-quality...come on ))
Test with handicapped openings..plus Bullet TC..LOL

Meanwhile (after checking your latest new link),
https://deeds.mynetgear.com/contenus/opening_books.html
I could not see the size of your Depth4 exp...?!
Is this info Top secret? give us some details please?)
And I suppose it is small size..if so..really good!
But if MUCH bigger than books sizes, not fair!
E.g like: Lightweight vs Heavyweight Wrestler!
Plus if Depth4 exp is private, again not fair!

One thing more,
Do you think that you are hero (via these tests)?
Taking the free public books vs your private exp..??
Btw, why you don't test the commercial books too?
Is that can be reason, you SCARE too much?
Commercial work vs Commercial work ???
If still not so clear, as far as I am aware,
All of your current played books are free and
Available...plus in same time, you request for
Your Depth4 exp such as 80+ EURO...not bad ))

By the way, a small REMINDER:
Next time OPEN your eyes, because Cedvet = Cubail

As final words,
Sure 'SCCT' will be as 'NIGHTMARE' for your side and
Welcome to the worst 'NIGHTMARE' of all: REALITY!

BYE BYE )

[deeds]

They told me that Sedat's eyes should have problems to read EXP's filesizes. As i already gave several times these values on my website and different forums, i wonder how many days/weeks it will take to someone to find it and maybe tell it to Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

They told me that Sedat's eyes should have problems to read EXP's filesizes. As i already gave several times these values on my website and different forums, i wonder how many days/weeks it will take to someone to find it and maybe tell it to Sedat

You are NOT normal and once more you proved to be so...sad!
I simply asked a question about the latest size of Depth4 exp
And even for that question...I'm being criticized by you..LOL
Even if you mentioned before...not all are as Baba Vanga..))
Besides, I assume that even Baba Vanga could have difficulties
To predict the EXP size..since after each game..size is bigger!!
Correct Me please if I am wrong ?

On other hand,
I'm a little bit surprised that you can't publish size screenshot !?
Normally, you are good of sharing screenshots..but here oops ))
Sounds like the size of Depth4 exp is biggest than all opponents!

By the way, you have to OPEN your eyes!!
E.g your shared site link is not working properly...
And for right now a such error message appears:

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[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello there )

Meanwhile (for anyone missed),
Since we have so many postings on OpenChess forum,
Let me say please some words as final conclusions...

What we noticed (in latest days, weeks..) that Deeds/He:

1) Seems to be used several fake accounts (botunnet etc.)
2) Opened current thread: when a daily tester lies to people...
Where he tried to damage my prestige, SCCT's name etc.
But thanks to GOD, where without any success so far!
And frankly it's impossible, due to my work all is clear!
E.g he wrote many times that Sedat prefer to says lies,
But without any prove... Btw, I know such people well,
Because they often lie and they think others are same!
3) Without the authors permissions, he shared many books:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3323
Plus, he underestimated all...with saying: New OCF's dump
4) Used wrong book settings (during his Book vs Exp test)
And tried to fool us...with naming real book names etc.
5) Refused my help offer: about how to create strong book
6) Refused Depth4 exp to be tested by trusted 3rd party TDs

As last words,
I can count many more points..but I think that it's enough!
As main reason...because I have no much free time for all..

Exception,
- Deeds is one of most dangerous members that I've ever seen,
And why I say like this, he persists even when he is wrong!
Plus as other bad point: Deeds never learns from the past!

And now some readers may say: Deeds is so bad?..not of course!
E.g arguing (with Deeds) was sometimes 'interesting' for sure !)

Best,
Sedat

[deeds]

I don't asked Conrog about SCCT's conditions but he already said :

I never look after bullet games on 1 thread (1 minute+0.5s games) because those time controls create lots of blunders. For exemple just looking to games losed by OPTIMUS, I found 4 lost games with big blunders...

As expected, Conrog wasn't the only one not to valid tourney's conditions with so little threads/engine :

I've never shared Community tests
STC and LTC use only 1 Thread
It makes little sense to me

source

[deeds]

They told me that Sedat's eyes should have problems to read EXP's filesizes. As i already gave several times these values on my website and different forums, i wonder how many days/weeks it will take to someone to find it and maybe tell it to Sedat

I confirm, Sedat's eyes also have problems to read shop's hours !
Another one who wants to use a shop only when it's closed

As expected after all these evidences, no one goes to risk answering Sedat's questions.

We're still going to have a lot of fun when, one day, they will compare the filesizes of the experience files with those of the opening books

Let's imagine if they don't know the entry sizes about the "polyglot bin", "SugaR Experience version 1", "SugaR Experience version 2", "Experience version 3.0" or "Experience version 3.1" file's formats, they won't be able to compare the stored moves number on each file

[Sedat Canbaz]

I don't asked Conrog about SCCT's conditions but he already said :

I never look after bullet games on 1 thread (1 minute+0.5s games) because those time controls create lots of blunders. For exemple just looking to games losed by OPTIMUS, I found 4 lost games with big blunders...

Is this as joke ??? come on...
Do not get Me more LOUGH )))

And once more you proved to be so..
E.g you never learn from the past!!

Anyhow, I will try once more...
Recently I already explained you that
Conrog was meaning Goi tour (not SCCT)

About M.Z comments,
I respect...but recently we noticed that
Marco is interested in SCCT tours...and
Not only nowadays..since many years...!!

On other hand,
E.g I use mainly for my Book Tours as:

1) If NON-NNUE: Blitz + MP + Ponder ON

2) If NNUE ON: Blitz + 1 Core, Ponder OFF
Reason of not using: Blitz + MP + Ponder ON
I am director of SCCT ! if still not clear:
I dislike BORING chess, if almost all draws!

And as I mentioned before,
What is the point of using an UMBRELLA?
If there is no much RAIN on the horizon ?)

But I admit also that (when NNUE as enabled)
Some of my tours are Blitz + MP + Ponder ON
Where in most cases, their draw-ratio was 99%

Btw, even 90% draw-ratio is high...but I think that
We have to be satisfied with that...especially since
NNUE is appeared on scene and via test 3700+ Elo !

After all,
Sure, I respect all other tours, ratings etc.
Anyone is free to run at any cond. no problem!
But in case of own created books, engines, exp etc.
I suggest kindly/strongly to be tested by trusted
Well-known 3rd party Tournament managers...
Otherwise, I pay no much attention...

Thanks for your understanding!