when a daily tester lies to people...

[Sedat Canbaz]

When Sedat started with 100% credibility :

Hey Chameleon,

Once more I'm spending my free rime, but maybe
There is a chance 0.001% that you will change
Your behaviour...and you will start to learn!

Continuing...

Listen, I told you before: who are you?
Are you author of all learning engines??
Or maybe one of authors of Eman engine?
Btw, If you are NOT...I do NOT care much
Do you understand ? because as stated before
I prefer testings with Authors suggested settings!

What I can tell you more (forget about SCCT):
All testers (CEGT, CCRL, FCP, FGRL, SPCC, SSDF etc.)
Almost all used play with default settings..so according
To best expert guy (Chameleon) all of us, plus programmers
Are released their engines in NON-optimal eng settings...
In same time that means almost all available tests, ratings etc.
Are with NON-high credibility.. hehe.. LOL..
Ah pardon, exc. StckfishMZ (92 points), LOL, but this time LOADER ))

Meanwhile, what about Deeds produced test results?
100% credibility? come on...

Look, If you was as honest man, you would share:
1. The recent both (Raptora +Eman) exp files...
2. Eman's best/optimal engine settings
3. NON-Marco's engine as best points credibility
Because it is a buggy engine or buggy exp file..
4. With edited book names e.g: Out Of book etc.
5. Depth4.exp file as free or at max. 9.99 euro
I can count many more points, but no free time to
Spend more time over this thread..it is enough!

And prove that I am wrong..can you do that? No...
Why? because your target is destroy...but definitely
Not to help...because you are NOT even amateur..
Mainly BLA BLA BLA...sorry to say that again...

If you wish to help...I hardly doubt...but anyhow
Tell us please the best settings for Eman 8.91 ?
Btw, just do not say 500/games per opening..LOL..

In other words (for Eman engine)
I hope to see the best/optimal/tournament mode settings!

And if you tell... later I hope to test
Eman 8.91 8 cores vs RapTora 2.2 8 cores
Let's under SCCT conditions: after 300 games
There will be 20 Elo difference or not...

If you do NOT know Eman's best/optimal settings:
KEEP CALM and STOP YOUR BULLSHIT COMMENTS!

[deeds]

Otherwise, Depth4_Deeds book would be ranked much higher!

As i don't create books, i asked to several book's creators and they explained to me that :

"the lower the Sedat's depth4_deeds book ranks on his site, the more it demonstrates his incompetence to create books even from quality games."

So then I asked them if they had already sent one of their books to SCCT, here are their answers :

"Unfortunately yes i did this mistake (2010), i didn't know Sedat enough...
but when i checked my games, i discovered his conditions were like a giant pool of blunders where the winning book is the one that won the lottery !
Never again !"

"yes like many (2015)... there are too many draws, no interest from startpos in computer chess era..."

I don't asked Conrog about SCCT's conditions but he already said :

I never look after bullet games on 1 thread (1 minute+0.5s games) because those time controls create lots of blunders. For exemple just looking to games losed by OPTIMUS, I found 4 lost games with big blunders...

source

[deeds]

...I do not trust to your testings...

But in terms of learning engines, your opinion has been totally ignored since May 2, 2021.
In terms of testing learning engines, your credibility has been in freefall since May 22, 2022.

What everyone already knows in terms of :

Engines trained
Sedat = 0 engine
DeeDs = 6 engines (Aurora, BrainLearn, Eman, HypnoS, JudaS, Shashchess)

Openings learned by engines
Sedat = 0 opening
DeeDs = >280 openings

learning sessions completed
Sedat = 0 session
DeeDs = 10 sessions (11th in progress)

Tools coded and shared with Chess community
Sedat = 0 tool
DeeDs = 28 tools (with 16 tools for editing experience data)

Learning engines settings tested
Sedat = 1 setting (Experience MultiPV @ 17/07/2023)
DeeDs = 8 settings (Experience MultiPV @ 12/12/2021, Automatic Time Management, Experience Book, Experience Book Min Depth, Experience Book Eval Importance, Experience Book Max Moves, Self Q-learning, MCTS Multi)

[deeds]

Knowledge on learning engines/features shared with Chess community
Sedat = 0 page
DeeDs = 16 pages (train your engines..., personal experience...)

Own experience files shared with Chess Community
Sedat : 0 file
DeeDs : 6 files (22pieces_d14.exp, Depth12_2205.exp, 22pieces_d10.exp, Depth43_0906.exp, Depth12_1110.exp, Depth43_1110.exp)

[Sedat Canbaz]

Otherwise, Depth4_Deeds book would be ranked much higher!

As i don't create books, i asked to several book's creators and they explained to me that :

"the lower the Sedat's depth4_deeds book ranks on his site, the more it demonstrates his incompetence to create books even from quality games."

So then I asked them if they had already sent one of their books to SCCT, here are their answers :

"Unfortunately yes i did this mistake (2010), i didn't know Sedat enough...
but when i checked my games, i discovered his conditions were like a giant pool of blunders where the winning book is the one that won the lottery !
Never again !"

"yes like many (2015)... there are too many draws, no interest from startpos in computer chess era..."

I don't asked Conrog about SCCT's conditions but he already said :

I never look after bullet games on 1 thread (1 minute+0.5s games) because those time controls create lots of blunders. For exemple just looking to games losed by OPTIMUS, I found 4 lost games with big blunders...

source

Hey Chameleon,

WOW..WOW..TOO MUCH BULLSHIT COMMENTS )))

On other hand,
I asked you simply such as,
What are Eman's best/optimal eng settings?
If you can't: be calm, stop your bullshit comments..

But as I expected,
You have no clue what are best settings for Eman engine!
LOL..as daily Eman tester, but you are not aware )))
Our Computer Chess is really in danger.. )))

About your rest comments by Book Authors etc.
You are simply as Liar..can you prove it?
Why you hide again real names of book authors?
Maybe because, they are NOT Top book makers or?
Even if so...SCCT's target is not to satisfy all!
No way...it's impossible...btw, if so easy...
Why you can not organize serious tours..?
I'm not referring about book tours, simply
Run serious tours..but with optimal cond.
Such not GUI moves LOL...use best suggested
Author settings...in other words, be sure next
Time to NOT run at handicapped cond. as before ))
Just in case..use available public chess engines..ok ?

Meanwhile,
OPEN YOUR EYES and DON'T TRY TO FOOL again
If not so clear,
Conrog was not meaning about SCCT book tours!
He was referring Goi book tour (as NON-NNUE)
For example, I never ran 1m+0.5s as NON-NNUE
Btw, I use mainly Fritz 14 GUI (if CTG..), so EVEN
if I tr no chance to run at 1m+0.5s...but it seems
You have no clue again... I said you before:
You are NOT even amateur...reality is reality!

Continuing...

Usually I prefer 2m+1s, Ponder ON..that means
Close to 4m+1s PONDER OFF, but if NNUE enabled
Then I prefer mainly 2m+1s, Ponder OFF etc.

About your tools,
Thanks, but I even did not download them...
Reason, I do not need them...correct Me
Please if I am wrong...

And as a last note,
About your learning tests, seasons etc,
I wish you good luck, but believe Me
My beta tests (since 1997, non available online)
Are much more than your available testings !!

And this is also true that,
SCCT eng learning tours are better than yours!
Just one example, you prefer Private exp or
Mainly Private Engines, which are not useful
For overall chess community..just waste of time..
At least for my side..

What I can tell you more ?
Where is Eman's best/optimal settings ?
Btw, are you afraid too much that,
Eman 8.91 will be as looser or what ??

[Sedat Canbaz]

...You was banned at least 2 (two) times by Marco...

No, at least banned 3 times but OCF's bans are useless because :
- I have no problem going at OCF when I want to get an OCF's file by myself
- From DeeDs to Chris via Unofficial I have always been in contact with MZ
- Several OCF's members can regularly send me specific OCF's files
- My methods are still present at OCF like

Hey Chameleon,

Perhaps after 92 times banning...
You'll be as honorable man..LOL

On other hand,
I do not care much... but in case of next time
Please do not use SCCT data in case of Marco's engines
Showing as credibility 92 etc. use NON-SCCT results..
Thanks in advance

That's all..

[deeds]

When Sedat wished for more OCF's dumps :

...What a show )) and ended in less than 5 days...

And now Sedat is going back to OCF

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hey Chameleon (Deeds),

I see that you are STILL in action ?)
I wonder really, what is your problem?

On other hand,
Yes...today Marco is removed the ban, so what ?
And now, you will blame, criticize... for that ??
Look.. actually I'm pretty sure that you wish to be
As active member in Outskirts chess forum...but oops )
Btw, there is a such great saying over these issues:
The grapes are sour anyway

One thing more, now it more clear that
You have been banned at least 4 times..e.g
'botunnet' is yours another FAKE account too..
REMINDER: Please do not forget next time!

As final words,
This time is not required to take paper and pencil,
Because I made a special tutorial (mainly for you)
Btw, just do NOT ask about you are in which side ))

[Sedat Canbaz]

@ Chameleon

Meanwhile,
I hope that you like my latest created new tutorial ?)
And I hope also that some of the lessons will be useful..

BTW,
Regarding one of mentioned points 'Fixes the breakdown'

For example, in that case...
I tried, offered a help...but you refused..
If not so clear, via my help..you'd created new, better,
Stronger, quality database than your Depth4_ Deeds...

But unfortunately you lost your chance...!

BYE BYE

[deeds]

"the lower the Sedat's depth4_deeds book ranks on his site, the more it demonstrates his incompetence to create books even from quality games."

It should stay true for a very loooooong time

The whole AlexChess cheaters crew reunites at OCF :
- StockfishMZ sabotage
- experience file renaming
- fake tourneys with engines on training mode
- congratulations of cheaters
- concurrent writes on unique file
- conformity with experience < 50%
- hypocrisy between unbanned and moderation