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[Sedat Canbaz]

For example, here are some usual rates of conformity with experience data when learning engines are set on their default settings (=training mode) :

Deeds,

Let's leave for the moment the Learning Engines etc.
Is not boring? if each time we'll to talk about exp files?

Look, I have another new idea...
And I hope you'll like it...

To be honest, really I wish to help you..
Reason, it seems you are much affected..
Plus, frankly my target is simply that:
The next Deeds book version to be ranked at higher!
And in this way, we may become as not so good friends,
But if nothing else, I hope you will not hate Me so much...

Continuing...

Currently, Depth4_Deeds book is ranked much lower
Than expected... but believe Me I'd like to give
You some very useful suggestions about your next
Database/Book to be better and stronger in quality!

Note also that,
Actually, even you'll have very high-quality games etc.
Still no BIG chances to be as one of Leading Top books!
Sure just in case.. will be ranked higher..but not enough..
E.g there are some other techniques, which are required...
Sure it's a long story.. but if you are interested,
Just tell Me..I will try to help...

If you are not interested...will be sad,
But simply ignore my current posting

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello there )

Well, just out of curiosity I've realized to run another new Duel match
For example, almost same test conditions as my previous exp testings,
Main difference, instead of SF -PB, this time Eman 8.91 vs RapTora 2.2

To be more clear,
Both (Eman 8.91 and RapTora 2.2) are played via
Same pre-learned Eman exp (dated on 17.07.2023),
But now, after checking.. both dated as 25.07.2023
So it seems that the engines are used to learn...
Btw, for each player is installed separate exp file..
RapTora 2.2 is the version, which is compiled by
Eduard Nemeth, sure as main author is Anton Ges
And plus all Stockfish developers..

And here are the FINAL results, the Winner:
RapTora 2.2 - Congrats to Anton, Eduard, SF team!

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Score of Eman 8.91 vs RapTora 2.2: 9 - 17 - 74 [0.460]
...      Eman 8.91 playing White: 9 - 1 - 40  [0.580] 50
...      Eman 8.91 playing Black: 0 - 16 - 34  [0.340] 50
...      White vs Black: 25 - 1 - 74  [0.620] 100
Elo difference: -27.9 +/- 34.6, LOS: 5.8 %, DrawRatio: 74.0 %
100 of 100 games finished

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/3sBywaoS#mc16D7fGy ... OT_qxhSbPU

Conditions:
Ryzen7 4800H, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 1m+0.6s, 128 MB Hash, 4-MEN
Note: Unique v50 opening suite is used (played each opening as twice)
CuteChess GUI's concurrent games: 10

And without to not mention this I can't as well,
For example, in my previous recent testings...
We noticed that RapTora 2.2 + Eman exp performed
Clearly better than Eman 8.91 + Eman exp

Ok.. let's say previous test was due to error margin
What about now? probably the Experts will explain
Better than Me... because this is Shocking News!
E.g in my understanding own Exp files have to do
Stronger with own Engines...really interesting..
In other words, I can not remember such record!
Since we are born..we are all learning..and if
You ask Me what I learned today? my replay is:
RapTora 2.2 engine is one of Best of the Best!
And not only in Eng learning..plus in stability!
Same words going for many other engines too!

And once more, I can summarize it:
Success is no accident..It's a hard work..

And as usual, thanks for your interest...


Best,
Sedat

[Homayoun]

Thank you very much. Interesting match and results.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Thank you very much. Interesting match and results.

Not at all.. it s my pleasure )

And once more we noticed that,
'PRACTICE' is more important than 'comments'

Btw, there is such useful saying over these issues:
He that travels far knows much

Greetings

[Anton101]

Great result.

Thank you Mr.Sedat.

Best regards.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Great result.

Thank you Mr.Sedat.

Best regards.

Mr. Anton,

You are welcome..

Btw, I often prefer to say please,
Do not take too seriously the played results etc.

But about latest Duel match,
Current results have to be taken 'too' seriously!
I do not know what kind of engine is that RaptoRa
In my 25 years Eng testings...for 1st time:
I've seen so well learning...and in same time
So stable, strong and besides compatible etc.

Keep up the good work!

Best,
Sedat

[Anton101]

Many thanks...Its a great engine...I really know.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Update

New test, but played under same conditions as before
Note: used same learned exp fies (dated on 25.07.2023)

In short,
The target is to see the influence via previous learned exp...

By the way,
Here are current played results, RapTora is leading again:

Score of Eman 8.91 vs RapTora 2.2: 3 - 7 - 27 [0.446]
... Eman 8.91 playing White: 3 - 2 - 13 [0.528] 18
... Eman 8.91 playing Black: 0 - 5 - 14 [0.368] 19
... White vs Black: 8 - 2 - 27 [0.581] 37
Elo difference: -37.7 +/- 58.1, LOS: 10.3 %, DrawRatio: 73.0 %
37 of 100 games finished.

Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

Update 2

Here are FINAL results, Winner is again RapTora!
My Congratulations to Anton, Eduard, SF team!

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Score of Eman 8.91 vs RapTora 2.2: 12 - 14 - 74 [0.490]
...      Eman 8.91 playing White: 12 - 3 - 35  [0.590] 50
...      Eman 8.91 playing Black: 0 - 11 - 39  [0.390] 50
...      White vs Black: 23 - 3 - 74  [0.600] 100
Elo difference: -6.9 +/- 34.8, LOS: 34.7 %, DrawRatio: 74.0 %
100 of 100 games finished.

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/ylxThLwQ#5hSYe1dPf ... VdEUE6CyMM

As Final Conclusion,
Even via latest re-run test.. it seems that RapTora is
Stronger..But according to other SCCT' competitions,
I can say that their performance is almost identical!

And what we noticed also that (via current Duel match),
With more learning games, Eman is performed better...

Plus it is clear 100% that,
The learning influence is playing as important role!
And RapTora 2.2 is doing not bad via Eman exp files!


Best,
Sedat

[Anton101]

Great news...

Thanks for the test.

Best regards.

A.Ces