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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:57 am

In the liar's book, Sedat want to tell us that Depth4_xxxxxx has already played the "1.f4" move.
In the 1500 games, the "1.f4 {book}" was played 20 times by the GUI (cutechess)

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So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "1 .f4"

Oops

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:19 am

deeds wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:57 am
In the liar's book, Sedat want to tell us that Depth4_xxxxxx has already played the "1.f4" move.
In the 1500 games, the "1.f4 {book}" was played 20 times by the GUI (cutechess)

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So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "1 .f4"

Oops
What are you talking about? it's not clear in your all screenshots!
Btw, why are you afraid so much to share your current position in PGN ?

Please follow my work.. it is much more clear,...

Anyhow,
You can talk as you wish..it is your Business...money...
You have a shop and your target is selling EXP files

Frankly since a few days ago,
I was not aware of that... but now I understand all about
What is going on....at least now is perfectly clear that
You are afraid that your EXP sales will be affected by SCCT

And as final words,
I wish you good luck in your EXP sales!
But stay far away from Me! and in that case...
I promise to stay far away from you as well

Thank you in advance

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:07 pm

The same evidence here :

In the liar's book, Sedat want to tell us that Depth4_xxxxxx has already played the "...c6" move after "1.e4"
In the 1500 games, the "1. e4 {book} b6 {book}" was played 8 times by the GUI (cutechess).

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So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "...c6" because it's a GUI's move.
In this case, cutechess adds the "{book}" mention, that's why there is no evaluation like "1. e4 {book} c6 {x.xx/xx xx}".

TCEC's fans will have recognized this opening from the TCEC Season 22 Superfinal :
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As i already showed previously, a liar creates a book with any moves from the games, he does not know how to read a PGN file, he does not know how to differentiate the opening's moves played by the GUI, the book's moves not evaluated by the engines, the moves evaluated by the engines, it's just an ignorant more what !

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by botunnet » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:41 pm

deeds wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:12 am
Thank you (Sedat) to have confirmed my words and your lies ! loool
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by botunnet » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:52 pm

Sedat wrote: I created a book based on your published games,
Which is highly tuned to prefer your EXP ([Depth4)
But as the published games also contains opening's moves played by the Cutechess GUI, we can't create a book with only the engine's evaluated moves :!:

Plus, DeeDs used default settings :arrow: Depth4 played in training mode :arrow: engine not always followed the most efficient moves.

:o Ok this book was a joke :o

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by botunnet » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:59 pm

deeds wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:57 am
So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "1 .f4"
True, "1.f4 {book}" is part of the 20.pgn file (20 first moves). Any chance an experience file plays this move from the startposition. :shock: Sedat really lied :shock:

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:28 pm

botunnet wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:52 pm
Sedat wrote: I created a book based on your published games,
Which is highly tuned to prefer your EXP ([Depth4)
But as the published games also contains opening's moves played by the Cutechess GUI, we can't create a book with only the engine's evaluated moves :!:

Plus, DeeDs used default settings :arrow: Depth4 played in training mode :arrow: engine not always followed the most efficient moves.

:o Ok this book was a joke :o
Hey Deeds = botunnet

Well, in my previous postings I tried to explain...
Anyhow, once more I will try ... but as last!

I never claimed that,
I tested the original Depth4 exp

But what I claim, recently I managed to create
A polyglot book, based on Deeds's Depth4 exp games,
Which is tuned/optimized to prefer Depth4's lines
And in same time, we noticed that all these lines
Helped to Deeds's exp to win all his opponents!
But on his hardware...not on my tournament PC!

By the way, a SMALL note:
E.g according to my latest SCCT BN XIV's results:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bn-cs-14
Depth4_Deeds is ranked at 36th place with 3722 Elo points!
And it seems, SCCT is hard....not like on Deeds computer!

And as I mentioned before,
According to my quick checking etc. I noticed that
Deeds tester is used wrong book settings...
Actually this is as real SCANDAL..!!

Sure with so many wrong and low-quality games,
We should not much surprise that
Deeds's produced lines are really not so strong...

Otherwise, Believe Me,
Depth4_Deeds book would be ranked at much higher places!
Because I have some experience in chess, not much, but I have...

Is it clear now ? if still not...then
Simply you have problems to read..

Hope helps...

That's All

Bye Bye

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:54 pm

botunnet wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:59 pm
:shock: Sedat really lied :shock:
Not the first time lol

For example :
Sedat wrote: ...at least now is perfectly clear that
You are afraid that your EXP sales will be affected by SCCT...
Sedat-like dudes will never have access to the level of performance of this technology when we, we have been witnessing its prowess every day for months/years !

In order :
- on 2022.06.26, Depth4_050522 trained with ProteusSF_030622
- on 2022.07.03, Depth4_050522 trained with Solista-010722
- on 2022.12.03, Depth4_031222 trained with Hubble 3.1
- on 2022.12.08, Depth4_031222 trained with Mantis-DH1
=> on 2023-04.20, Depth4_180423 was available at DeeDs Shop
- on 2023.06.20, Depth4_190623 trained with hcanfree-upd
- on 2023.07.04, Depth4_190623 is training with Leschats14062023

So the opening of the sales was expected, no complaints to date, everyone respected their commitments (copy for personal use, not to participate in tournaments on my behalf, etc.).
The performance in training with books is constant, the learning of the openings continues.
Depending on the benefits, I would respond favorably to the requested lottery by customers/friends.

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:38 pm

deeds wrote:
Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:57 am
In the liar's book, Sedat want to tell us that Depth4_xxxxxx has already played the "1.f4" move.
In the 1500 games, the "1.f4 {book}" was played 20 times by the GUI (cutechess)

So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "1 .f4"

Oops
Oops

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Hehe.. again and again...
Series of lies by you !)

I told you before, but I miss to add:
You have to be candidate as Artist,
But as LIAR role/character too..LOL...
It seems, you have many talents..LOL..

If still not so clear,
According to your screenshots/comments
You claim that 20 games played as 'f4'
By Cutechess GUI, right ??

But after checking your Deeds database,
There are only 14 games played as 'f4'
Where are the rest 6 games ?
Maybe I am missing something?

And now who say lies to people ?
Sedat or Deeds ???

And another BIG lie by you is that,
All your games are named in your database
Such as [White "Depth4_190623 (Eman 8.40)"]
Probably Cutechess made error and named it:
Depth4_190623 (Eman 8.40)..LOL..

Look, I don't care your work/system/training etc.
And you are free to run any kind of testings..

But what I can suggest,
Do not try to fool the people anymore!
Just one example,
Name EXP player such as 'GUI moves'
Name Book player such as 'Out-of-book'
But money, money, money...LOL...

Btw,
Normally I was not planning to be here anymore..
But after checking more carefully your database,
I could not be in silence..and now all is clear!
And I feel much better...!!

Bye bye )

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:31 am

As expected with Sedat-like people, in addition to lying to people, they confirm their ignorance in many chess domains :
- [learning engines] default settings (=training mode) with learning engines on tourneys
- [learning engines] concurrency > 1 with only one experience file
- [learning engines] renamed exp files which doesn't fit with learning engines
- [learning engines] wrong experience file format (e.g. Sugar Experience format v2 with BrainLearn)
- [learning engines] chosen openings without announcing their experience rate
...

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