Train your engine !

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:15 am

sarona wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:15 am
I will register over at Infinity in order to stay in touch. That seems to be the most logical course of action.
For PMs, most of the engine trainers with whom I am in contact have registered there. For files, the new generation uses skype daily.

sarona wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:15 am
I assume it is this forum?
https://cumnor-chess-server.com/phpbb/i ... 6a8e044778
Yes !

sarona wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:15 am
I know Outskirts is not a possibility either to keep in touch. Too bad, because I like what MZ has done there in dealing with trolls and leecher refugees from now defunct forums
A general public area is no longer the right tool to discuss learning. Too much knowledge gap with their day testers. People aren't ready to believe the Next Big Thing in Computer Chess has been around for months/years. They already don't believe that a SF derivative can be better, even less that an existing technology can add 100 or 200 elo to SF...

We're going to have a lot of fun when the next tests announce +100 or +200 elo on SF15.2 or SF16 loool

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Re: Train your engine !

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:39 pm

When engines are learning 1.f4 ! (LIVE) :
https://youtu.be/N5evNcP-cxg

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:44 pm

01.08.2023 : added new curves about "first novelty".

First novelty : corresponds to the first move not yet played in the previous games. In general, when the engines learn an opening, they test new moves later and later in the game. By comparing with the average number of moves per game, we know if an opening has been well learned or not, if the engines still need training or not, etc.

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Re: Train your engine !

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:47 am

deeds wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:07 am
...
As these engine releases are no longer compatible with the new sfnnv6 nets :arrow: i will avoid publishing the results of my next learning sessions in a general public area.
:idea: Out of respect for the enlightened, i will publish them on my personal website.
...
LS11 completed !

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:53 am

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Stats get by expRate and based on 4 612 openings from the Encyclopaedia of Chess Openings.

Distribution of the 4 612 openings

ECO A : 1 013 openings

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A00 : 50 openings
A01 : 07 openings
A02 : 17 openings
A03 : 18 openings
A04 : 15 openings
A05 : 09 openings
A06 : 08 openings
A07 : 08 openings
A08 : 11 openings
A09 : 12 openings
A10 : 22 openings
A11 : 08 openings
A12 : 06 openings
A13 : 11 openings
A14 : 05 openings
A15 : 04 openings
A16 : 14 openings
A17 : 06 openings
A18 : 07 openings
A19 : 02 openings
A20 : 07 openings
A21 : 16 openings
A22 : 08 openings
A23 : 03 openings
A24 : 07 openings
A25 : 12 openings
A26 : 06 openings
A27 : 04 openings
A28 : 10 openings
A29 : 05 openings
A30 : 18 openings
A31 : 07 openings
A32 : 13 openings
A33 : 10 openings
A34 : 13 openings
A35 : 05 openings
A36 : 12 openings
A37 : 12 openings
A38 : 11 openings
A39 : 09 openings
A40 : 25 openings
A41 : 16 openings
A42 : 15 openings
A43 : 26 openings
A44 : 12 openings
A45 : 51 openings
A46 : 33 openings
A47 : 08 openings
A48 : 15 openings
A49 : 02 openings
A50 : 09 openings
A51 : 09 openings
A52 : 06 openings
A53 : 13 openings
A54 : 12 openings
A55 : 15 openings
A56 : 15 openings
A57 : 16 openings
A58 : 12 openings
A59 : 08 openings
A60 : 06 openings
A61 : 09 openings
A62 : 04 openings
A63 : 01 openings
A64 : 04 openings
A65 : 18 openings
A66 : 07 openings
A67 : 04 openings
A68 : 04 openings
A69 : 08 openings
A70 : 13 openings
A71 : 02 openings
A72 : 04 openings
A73 : 05 openings
A74 : 03 openings
A75 : 06 openings
A76 : 03 openings
A77 : 08 openings
A78 : 04 openings
A79 : 03 openings
A80 : 17 openings
A81 : 06 openings
A82 : 08 openings
A83 : 07 openings
A84 : 06 openings
A85 : 12 openings
A86 : 10 openings
A87 : 13 openings
A88 : 11 openings
A89 : 05 openings
A90 : 09 openings
A91 : 06 openings
A92 : 08 openings
A93 : 07 openings
A94 : 01 openings
A95 : 05 openings
A96 : 05 openings
A97 : 04 openings
A98 : 02 openings
A99 : 09 openings
ECO B : 995 openings

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B00 : 48 openings
B01 : 49 openings
B02 : 17 openings
B03 : 14 openings
B04 : 06 openings
B05 : 09 openings
B06 : 14 openings
B07 : 16 openings
B08 : 15 openings
B09 : 10 openings
B10 : 12 openings
B11 : 08 openings
B12 : 23 openings
B13 : 17 openings
B14 : 11 openings
B15 : 19 openings
B16 : 08 openings
B17 : 03 openings
B18 : 12 openings
B19 : 03 openings
B20 : 17 openings
B21 : 22 openings
B22 : 26 openings
B23 : 15 openings
B24 : 06 openings
B25 : 10 openings
B26 : 07 openings
B27 : 10 openings
B28 : 05 openings
B29 : 06 openings
B30 : 16 openings
B31 : 07 openings
B32 : 14 openings
B33 : 16 openings
B34 : 07 openings
B35 : 10 openings
B36 : 05 openings
B37 : 07 openings
B38 : 12 openings
B39 : 04 openings
B40 : 12 openings
B41 : 07 openings
B42 : 09 openings
B43 : 04 openings
B44 : 15 openings
B45 : 10 openings
B46 : 10 openings
B47 : 12 openings
B48 : 11 openings
B49 : 09 openings
B50 : 14 openings
B51 : 08 openings
B52 : 05 openings
B53 : 08 openings
B54 : 09 openings
B55 : 02 openings
B56 : 09 openings
B57 : 08 openings
B58 : 10 openings
B59 : 08 openings
B60 : 08 openings
B61 : 05 openings
B62 : 20 openings
B63 : 03 openings
B64 : 03 openings
B65 : 03 openings
B66 : 01 openings
B67 : 05 openings
B68 : 02 openings
B69 : 02 openings
B70 : 12 openings
B71 : 05 openings
B72 : 06 openings
B73 : 03 openings
B74 : 07 openings
B75 : 03 openings
B76 : 07 openings
B77 : 07 openings
B78 : 09 openings
B79 : 04 openings
B80 : 09 openings
B81 : 10 openings
B82 : 06 openings
B83 : 05 openings
B84 : 17 openings
B85 : 03 openings
B86 : 02 openings
B87 : 02 openings
B88 : 02 openings
B89 : 02 openings
B90 : 09 openings
B91 : 09 openings
B92 : 10 openings
B93 : 10 openings
B94 : 05 openings
B95 : 08 openings
B96 : 17 openings
B97 : 16 openings
B98 : 07 openings
B99 : 15 openings
ECO C : 1 027 openings

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C00 : 19 openings
C01 : 15 openings
C02 : 15 openings
C03 : 07 openings
C04 : 05 openings
C05 : 11 openings
C06 : 09 openings
C07 : 11 openings
C08 : 04 openings
C09 : 08 openings
C10 : 12 openings
C11 : 16 openings
C12 : 09 openings
C13 : 08 openings
C14 : 08 openings
C15 : 17 openings
C16 : 06 openings
C17 : 09 openings
C18 : 11 openings
C19 : 11 openings
C20 : 12 openings
C21 : 08 openings
C22 : 03 openings
C23 : 09 openings
C24 : 05 openings
C25 : 14 openings
C26 : 15 openings
C27 : 05 openings
C28 : 09 openings
C29 : 12 openings
C30 : 18 openings
C31 : 08 openings
C32 : 08 openings
C33 : 31 openings
C34 : 06 openings
C35 : 02 openings
C36 : 05 openings
C37 : 16 openings
C38 : 04 openings
C39 : 15 openings
C40 : 21 openings
C41 : 29 openings
C42 : 20 openings
C43 : 18 openings
C44 : 31 openings
C45 : 22 openings
C46 : 09 openings
C47 : 16 openings
C48 : 14 openings
C49 : 11 openings
C50 : 13 openings
C51 : 14 openings
C52 : 12 openings
C53 : 06 openings
C54 : 12 openings
C55 : 16 openings
C56 : 09 openings
C57 : 17 openings
C58 : 06 openings
C59 : 07 openings
C60 : 15 openings
C61 : 06 openings
C62 : 07 openings
C63 : 11 openings
C64 : 13 openings
C65 : 10 openings
C66 : 06 openings
C67 : 15 openings
C68 : 09 openings
C69 : 08 openings
C70 : 10 openings
C71 : 03 openings
C72 : 03 openings
C73 : 01 openings
C74 : 02 openings
C75 : 04 openings
C76 : 04 openings
C77 : 13 openings
C78 : 12 openings
C79 : 04 openings
C80 : 17 openings
C81 : 05 openings
C82 : 08 openings
C83 : 07 openings
C84 : 10 openings
C85 : 06 openings
C86 : 07 openings
C87 : 05 openings
C88 : 10 openings
C89 : 12 openings
C90 : 09 openings
C91 : 03 openings
C92 : 08 openings
C93 : 07 openings
C94 : 02 openings
C95 : 11 openings
C96 : 08 openings
C97 : 05 openings
C98 : 04 openings
C99 : 08 openings
ECO D : 854 openings

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D00 : 36 openings
D01 : 12 openings
D02 : 19 openings
D03 : 08 openings
D04 : 06 openings
D05 : 04 openings
D06 : 11 openings
D07 : 11 openings
D08 : 10 openings
D09 : 07 openings
D10 : 19 openings
D11 : 17 openings
D12 : 08 openings
D13 : 07 openings
D14 : 06 openings
D15 : 12 openings
D16 : 09 openings
D17 : 08 openings
D18 : 02 openings
D19 : 06 openings
D20 : 21 openings
D21 : 11 openings
D22 : 07 openings
D23 : 06 openings
D24 : 12 openings
D25 : 12 openings
D26 : 08 openings
D27 : 13 openings
D28 : 06 openings
D29 : 09 openings
D30 : 28 openings
D31 : 19 openings
D32 : 14 openings
D33 : 09 openings
D34 : 13 openings
D35 : 23 openings
D36 : 20 openings
D37 : 11 openings
D38 : 06 openings
D39 : 03 openings
D40 : 10 openings
D41 : 11 openings
D42 : 09 openings
D43 : 09 openings
D44 : 08 openings
D45 : 20 openings
D46 : 13 openings
D47 : 12 openings
D48 : 09 openings
D49 : 06 openings
D50 : 08 openings
D51 : 06 openings
D52 : 06 openings
D53 : 10 openings
D54 : 01 openings
D55 : 06 openings
D56 : 04 openings
D57 : 02 openings
D58 : 13 openings
D59 : 07 openings
D60 : 06 openings
D61 : 07 openings
D62 : 03 openings
D63 : 10 openings
D64 : 05 openings
D65 : 04 openings
D66 : 05 openings
D67 : 03 openings
D68 : 04 openings
D69 : 01 openings
D70 : 03 openings
D71 : 04 openings
D72 : 04 openings
D73 : 06 openings
D74 : 04 openings
D75 : 02 openings
D76 : 03 openings
D77 : 06 openings
D78 : 11 openings
D79 : 06 openings
D80 : 08 openings
D81 : 02 openings
D82 : 01 openings
D83 : 02 openings
D84 : 04 openings
D85 : 24 openings
D86 : 08 openings
D87 : 08 openings
D88 : 03 openings
D89 : 02 openings
D90 : 06 openings
D91 : 09 openings
D92 : 03 openings
D93 : 04 openings
D94 : 08 openings
D95 : 05 openings
D96 : 05 openings
D97 : 10 openings
D98 : 03 openings
D99 : 03 openings
ECO E : 723 openings

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E00 : 18 openings
E01 : 05 openings
E02 : 02 openings
E03 : 05 openings
E04 : 12 openings
E05 : 06 openings
E06 : 06 openings
E07 : 08 openings
E08 : 10 openings
E09 : 09 openings
E10 : 09 openings
E11 : 15 openings
E12 : 28 openings
E13 : 03 openings
E14 : 15 openings
E15 : 25 openings
E16 : 04 openings
E17 : 28 openings
E18 : 02 openings
E19 : 06 openings
E20 : 11 openings
E21 : 07 openings
E22 : 03 openings
E23 : 03 openings
E24 : 03 openings
E25 : 03 openings
E26 : 04 openings
E27 : 02 openings
E28 : 03 openings
E29 : 04 openings
E30 : 08 openings
E31 : 10 openings
E32 : 12 openings
E33 : 03 openings
E34 : 05 openings
E35 : 04 openings
E36 : 04 openings
E37 : 02 openings
E38 : 06 openings
E39 : 07 openings
E40 : 02 openings
E41 : 04 openings
E42 : 03 openings
E43 : 03 openings
E44 : 03 openings
E45 : 04 openings
E46 : 04 openings
E47 : 03 openings
E48 : 03 openings
E49 : 02 openings
E50 : 04 openings
E51 : 04 openings
E52 : 03 openings
E53 : 05 openings
E54 : 06 openings
E55 : 04 openings
E56 : 04 openings
E57 : 05 openings
E58 : 06 openings
E59 : 08 openings
E60 : 14 openings
E61 : 17 openings
E62 : 09 openings
E63 : 07 openings
E64 : 03 openings
E65 : 07 openings
E66 : 02 openings
E67 : 11 openings
E68 : 02 openings
E69 : 16 openings
E70 : 17 openings
E71 : 08 openings
E72 : 04 openings
E73 : 13 openings
E74 : 08 openings
E75 : 07 openings
E76 : 03 openings
E77 : 03 openings
E78 : 01 openings
E79 : 05 openings
E80 : 09 openings
E81 : 13 openings
E82 : 05 openings
E83 : 05 openings
E84 : 09 openings
E85 : 08 openings
E86 : 01 openings
E87 : 07 openings
E88 : 03 openings
E89 : 02 openings
E90 : 19 openings
E91 : 14 openings
E92 : 11 openings
E93 : 05 openings
E94 : 12 openings
E95 : 08 openings
E96 : 03 openings
E97 : 19 openings
E98 : 08 openings
E99 : 05 openings

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by rulleeeee » Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:23 am

wow.
Your work is impressive.
So many debuts to learn in less than 3 years... Respect :) Hats off :)

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:01 pm

I admit that at the beginning (LS1 to LS4) I lost time finding the right settings, the right sparring-partners, developing all the tools for editing the experience data, etc. :(

In addition, I had not set up any learning farm so I only trained 1 opening at a time, it took me several months to complete a single learning session :roll:

With a TC 1m+1s, I didn't anticipate the amount of experience data I was going to have to reinforce before I could train Eman with opening books as sparring-partners. :oops:

But since I had set up several learning farms, i train 8 to 10 openings at the time and Eman seems to learn 1 or 2% of all ECO's codes after each learning session, another world :!:

I reinforced the experience data from the first 3 learning sessions before training Eman with around ten opening books, it went well... :D I still need to reinforce specific experience data before Eman trains with other opening books (under width=2 this time).

Special dedication to all customers, friends, family :D

Road to 3800 elo :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Train your engine !

Post by deeds » Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:46 pm

deeds wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:01 pm
...
But since I had set up several learning farms, i train 8 to 10 openings at the time and Eman seems to learn 1 or 2% of all ECO's codes after each learning session, another world :!:
...
Here, Eman has already learned 14% of all ECO codes :
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(only learned 11% with Depth4_180423.exp)

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