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Hood
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by Hood » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:27 pm
If RH = VR the facts of:
-selling Houdini by ChessOk
- adding preservr analysis
have deeper sense.
There is no new Rybka so a new product is neccessary to sell.
The best idea is to have 2 programs which will be competing with each other being changed themselves on the top.
The sales are going on. It can be one programmer who will work on this 2 programs but for marketing it is better to have that programmer under 2 names.
It is better to laugh then to cry.
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There are not bugs free programms. There are programms with undiscovered bugs.
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Uly
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by Uly » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:44 pm
Hood wrote:- adding preservr analysis
This is evidence against Vas being Houdart. Vas just utterly broke the persistent Hash feature and that's why it wasn't included in Rybka 4. Vas had a mindset of implementing Persistent Hash that had many issues by design (so the backward propagation "bugs" aren't really "bugs", they had to happen with the approach taken).
Houdart took a fresh approach to learning and his result was more or less fine (at least a workaround is as simple as restarting analysis).
The Persistent Hash behavior of Rybka 3 and the behavior of Houdini Learning that Moz showed at Rybka Forum are nothing alike.
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Hood
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by Hood » Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:35 pm
Uly wrote:Hood wrote:- adding preservr analysis
This is evidence against Vas being Houdart. Vas just utterly broke the persistent Hash feature and that's why it wasn't included in Rybka 4. Vas had a mindset of implementing Persistent Hash that had many issues by design (so the backward propagation "bugs" aren't really "bugs", they had to happen with the approach taken).
Houdart took a fresh approach to learning and his result was more or less fine (at least a workaround is as simple as restarting analysis).
The Persistent Hash behavior of Rybka 3 and the behavior of Houdini Learning that Moz showed at Rybka Forum are nothing alike.
It is not any evidence against anyone. It is a next phantasy theory on the forum, not worse as others.
Sometimes is very wise to break false way and start from the zero
Smolensk 2010. Murder or accident... Cui bono ?
There are not bugs free programms. There are programms with undiscovered bugs.
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by kingliveson » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:30 pm
FL is the author of IPPOLIT/RobboLito as revenge. He is also the author of Houdini and RH is just a frontman for it. After FL reached a private settlement with VR, ChessOK was allowed to market it.
PAWN : Knight >> Bishop >> Rook >>Queen
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Hood
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by Hood » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:34 pm
kingliveson wrote:FL is the author of IPPOLIT/RobboLito as revenge. He is also the author of Houdini and RH is just a frontman for it. After FL reached a private settlement with VR, ChessOK was allowed to market it.
it is v. probable.
Smolensk 2010. Murder or accident... Cui bono ?
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by thorstenczub » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:49 pm
kingliveson wrote:FL is the author of IPPOLIT/RobboLito as revenge. He is also the author of Houdini and RH is just a frontman for it. After FL reached a private settlement with VR, ChessOK was allowed to market it.
who is FL ?
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hyatt
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by hyatt » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:15 pm
Fabien...
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by thorstenczub » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:12 pm
hyatt wrote:Fabien...
aha. i see. but fabien is not the author of robbolito.
his program was mainly cloned. by many people.
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by kingliveson » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:36 am
thorstenczub wrote:hyatt wrote:Fabien...
aha. i see. but fabien is not the author of robbolito.
his program was mainly cloned. by many people.
Vas definitely pissed someone off. Who? I am not quite sure. Even with Houdini overtaking Rybka and Rybka being 4th or 3rd best on ratings lists now, here was one of the
recent postings on IPPOLIT website:
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September: Capitalists condition attackeries outfrom Houdini (Houdart). Workingries with Revolution (Workers) swerves unto rebuttery. Furthermore: Head Comrade Yakov allocates Decembrists for the this. Yet: Personal Opinion: finalries upon Rybka Capitalists buy not the yet (all)."
I think this is saying they are not yet finish with Vasik. Or maybe it has something to do with FSF...
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by Uly » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:12 am
I wouldn't take them seriously, they're just a parody.
