We don't need ignatius. Irenaeus met Polycarp in person, who was a disciple of John the Apostle, and companion to Papias. These are more believable than than a modern author who is so biased that he compares his meagre hypotheses to the verities of physics.thorstenczub wrote:again hear said and forgery:
http://www.bible.ca/history-ignatius-fo ... -250AD.htm
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papias is also not a good source. its forged too.
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How do you know which source is correct ?thorstenczub wrote:papias is also not a good source. its forged too.
There is true other way: Jesus is the King, only Jesus is the King.
Jesus is waiting for you to give you His love.
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i can see that caesars story, his saying and the biography is the blueprint of the jesus-story.
one can see, although 2000 years have passed, that jesus is a clone of caesar, like one can see that rybka is a clone of fruit.
although 2000 years have gone, there is still enough caesar in jesus and can be identified.
the amount is so big that it cannot be random.
caesars funeral, was the origin of jesus cruxification. the trophäum was the cross.
caesars young wife calpurnia is the origin of maria.
the easter rituals have the origin in caesars funeral.
his biography is the blueprint.
de died the same day as jesus did.
the clementia of caesar is the blueprint of jesus "love your enemy".
caesar as Divus Iulius founds the origin of christianity.
while jesus birthday is illogical, caesars story is 100 years earlier and this exactly works much better.
the reason the romains "translated" ~transposed the caesar story into jewish messiah jesus story is because the jews did not want to pay taxes or integrate into the romain empire.
jesus story was a key to integrate them, an effort to make them valuable
citizens.
when the romain empire died, or even before, christianism replaced the divus iulius religion, which is mainly the same but under different name (jesus replaces caesar).
it happened like "jesus" said: his empire is not an empire of power or terretory. his empire is a spiritual empire. indeed. the romain empire of power and terretory was substituted with christianity.
but over 2000 years christianism changed.
it perverted the original believe and instead of changing into spiritual values it came back into materialistical values.
one can see, although 2000 years have passed, that jesus is a clone of caesar, like one can see that rybka is a clone of fruit.
although 2000 years have gone, there is still enough caesar in jesus and can be identified.
the amount is so big that it cannot be random.
caesars funeral, was the origin of jesus cruxification. the trophäum was the cross.
caesars young wife calpurnia is the origin of maria.
the easter rituals have the origin in caesars funeral.
his biography is the blueprint.
de died the same day as jesus did.
the clementia of caesar is the blueprint of jesus "love your enemy".
caesar as Divus Iulius founds the origin of christianity.
while jesus birthday is illogical, caesars story is 100 years earlier and this exactly works much better.
the reason the romains "translated" ~transposed the caesar story into jewish messiah jesus story is because the jews did not want to pay taxes or integrate into the romain empire.
jesus story was a key to integrate them, an effort to make them valuable
citizens.
when the romain empire died, or even before, christianism replaced the divus iulius religion, which is mainly the same but under different name (jesus replaces caesar).
it happened like "jesus" said: his empire is not an empire of power or terretory. his empire is a spiritual empire. indeed. the romain empire of power and terretory was substituted with christianity.
but over 2000 years christianism changed.
it perverted the original believe and instead of changing into spiritual values it came back into materialistical values.
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thorstenczub wrote:i can see that caesars story, his saying and the biography is the blueprint of the jesus-story.
one can see, although 2000 years have passed, that jesus is a clone of caesar, like one can see that rybka is a clone of fruit.
although 2000 years have gone, there is still enough caesar in jesus and can be identified.
the amount is so big that it cannot be random.
caesars funeral, was the origin of jesus cruxification. the trophäum was the cross.
caesars young wife calpurnia is the origin of maria.
the easter rituals have the origin in caesars funeral.
his biography is the blueprint.
de died the same day as jesus did.
the clementia of caesar is the blueprint of jesus "love your enemy".
caesar as Divus Iulius founds the origin of christianity.
while jesus birthday is illogical, caesars story is 100 years earlier and this exactly works much better.
the reason the romains "translated" ~transposed the caesar story into jewish messiah jesus story is because the jews did not want to pay taxes or integrate into the romain empire.
jesus story was a key to integrate them, an effort to make them valuable
citizens.
when the romain empire died, or even before, christianism replaced the divus iulius religion, which is mainly the same but under different name (jesus replaces caesar).
it happened like "jesus" said: his empire is not an empire of power or terretory. his empire is a spiritual empire. indeed. the romain empire of power and terretory was substituted with christianity.
but over 2000 years christianism changed.
it perverted the original believe and instead of changing into spiritual values it came back into materialistical values.
Polycarp disproves this fantasy scenario. He was a "hearer of John" the Apostle before 100 AD. His writing quotes almost every book of the New Testament, proving that the extant codices of the Christian New Testament are not evolve by "Caesarian section".
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Thorsten basing on your proves in the story i am waiting for your proves that Earth is flat ![Sad :-(](./images/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif)
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orgfert wrote: Polycarp disproves this fantasy scenario. He was a "hearer of John" the Apostle before 100 AD. His writing quotes almost every book of the New Testament, proving that the extant codices of the Christian New Testament are not evolve by "Caesarian section".
guys all those older "writers" faked the texts.
there is no source that is not forgery and pure fantasy.
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Hood wrote:Thorsten basing on your proves in the story i am waiting for your proves that Earth is flat
in opposite to the fantasies christians wrote down long time after "jesus" existed,
other historical persons of that time DID exist and we HAVE sources and prove.
we have lots of stuff about caesar and other people. but nothing about jesus. reason is jesus did not exist and was faked by later christians who wanted to give evidence.
they created "facts" (forgery) and told the people that they have evidence.
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
it was the CHURCH who wanted to make the people believe that the earth is flat. not the scientists. the scientists who wanted to claim the truth about the earth and the sun were tortured, blackmailed or burned (giordano bruno) by the peacefully enemy-loving "christians". don't mix this up. the christians believe is far from science and facts.
not that of the atheistic scientists.
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Not the church but Aristoteles told that Earth is flat
. Kopernik was a priest, I hope you know who was Kopernik (Copernicus). He moved Earth and stopped Sun
.
The jewish documents proved that Jesus existed and was not roman caesar.
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The jewish documents proved that Jesus existed and was not roman caesar.
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Then Ceasar did not exist either. He's just a story quoted by a lot of people. All forgeries. All claims to eye-witness of Caesar are faked. This "logic" cuts both ways, Mr. Czub.thorstenczub wrote:orgfert wrote: Polycarp disproves this fantasy scenario. He was a "hearer of John" the Apostle before 100 AD. His writing quotes almost every book of the New Testament, proving that the extant codices of the Christian New Testament are not evolve by "Caesarian section".
guys all those older "writers" faked the texts.
there is no source that is not forgery and pure fantasy.