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Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:39 pm
by deeds
My newest experience file for Eman is available at DeeDs Shop.

It was trained purely with Eman against the best engines with learning feature.
All the openings already learned at TC 1m+1s have been reinforced up to D40.

Since the previous version (Depth4_031222), 3 million moves have been added while maintaining an avg. D35.
More than 60 new openings have been learned at TC 2m+2s, they come mainly from public opening books.
The variety at training has been further improved with the addition of 4 new opening lists.

Depth4_180423 is priced at 89 eur.
No stock limit on this version.

I still hope to perfect the distribution of trained ECO codes and continually reinforce the openings learned.

DeeDs.

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:38 pm
by sarona
Good luck with your venture, Chris.

This product can also be of great value to OTB players for preparation as well.

Incidentally, Aurora has been using B4D30CD15A43432D as the start position key for several months (including the last version you received from me: 10-36 Oct 30_22 Aurora kurt22i).

uci.cpp
line 83 static constexpr Key StartPosKey = 0xB4D30CD15A43432D;

Regards,
Ron

P.S. My wife had another girl. :lol: So that makes three daughters. No son. :cry:

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:36 am
by deeds
Hi sarona !

As you know, there are already several experience files available for free. They can be created very quickly from PGN files.

So I confess that I don't count on luck because here it is rather a question of a need for quality, purity, credibility. The opening of sales is also very effective in cleaning parasites and their dubious forums ! lol

When I have a quality experience file for Aurora, I will open sales. Aurora uses the same signature as Stockfish, proof that it is what it should be, Stockfish + learning feature = The Next Big Thing in Computer Chess.

DeeDs

ps : congratulations for your family, there it is sure that in the family votes by a show of hands, you will never be in the majority lol

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:32 am
by sarona
deeds wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:36 am
Hi sarona !

. . . it is rather a question of a need for quality, purity, credibility. The opening of sales is also very effective in cleaning parasites and their dubious forums ! lol
Agreed. Although many of those forums are now defunct. That is why several of us created Comrades. It is much like the old Rybka Forum - except with a smaller, vetted group.
deeds wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:36 am
Aurora uses the same signature as Stockfish, proof that it is what it should be, Stockfish + learning feature
That is what it was always meant to be: a tool for experience training - with the files used by another derivative I created a few years ago for research. It is a tool I still use for my own training thanks to your well documented methods.
deeds wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:36 am
congratulations for your family, there it is sure that in the family votes by a show of hands, you will never be in the majority lol
:D Yes! Four females against one male. The little one is already developing a temper - especially while we are trying to sleep at night. Probably gets that from her mother. . . :P

Regards,
Ron

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:49 am
by botunnet
Unintentionally, a daily tester made a little ad for (your) experience files !

Code: Select all

   # PLAYER            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 RapTora 2.2 8c    :      17     29   157.0     300  52.3   23  268    9  89.3       0     1
   2 Eman 8.91 8c      :       0   ----   143.0     300  47.7    9  268   23  89.3      17     1

White advantage = 35.24 +/- 14.01
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

eman 8.91 8c   : avg. D31, 001 959 ms/move, 000 300 games, 00 015 340 moves
raptora 2.2 8c : avg. D31, 001 826 ms/move, 000 300 games, 00 015 366 moves

Averages :
0 194 sec/game (3 min/game)
123 plies/game (102 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 002 943 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D30, 001 704 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D37, 001 216 ms/move
games

SCCT's conditions :
- without an experience file trained on the match's opening list
- Concurrency > 1 with learning engine
- Eman 8.91 set to default settings :arrow: Experience Book false :arrow: training mode, stronger/newer NNUE net than Raptora
- RapTora 2.2 set to default settings :arrow: Experience Book true :arrow: tourney mode, weaker/older NNUE net than Eman

Under SCCT's conditions, even with a stronger/newer net, an engine can't win.

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:54 am
by Sedat Canbaz
deeds wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:39 pm

Depth4_180423 is priced at 89 eur.
No stock limit on this version.
1st of all, I'm a little bit confused here:
'No stock limit on this version'

In other words,
What does 'stock limit' mean? maybe you mean
No restriction on pieces, maximum price or?

I wonder too,
Depth4 exp file can be still purchased?
And what's the compressed size+date vers?
You know, the chess theory is changing
Dramatically very fast and normally as
Most recent versions perform better...so
If Depth4 is old-dated..will be sad news!

And as a last question,
Do you offer a option 'Refund of Money'?

E.g no any info here or on your web site!
Why I ask this question, e.g 89 Euro is
A very high/serious price (for a exp file)
Since it's not a GUI + playing program etc.
Just imagine...minus plus same performance
As many of the free available exp ones, then
What is the point of paying so much money ?)
Sure this is my view and anyone is free to buy
This product...and since it's almost 90 euro..
Who knows? maybe will be 50-100 Elo stronger e.g
In case of playing at any test/tour conditions?

Thanks in advance...and good luck!

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:05 am
by Sedat Canbaz
botunnet wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:49 am
Unintentionally, a daily tester made a little ad for (your) experience files !
...
Under SCCT's conditions, even with a stronger/newer net, an engine can't win.
Hey Chameleon,

W-R-O-N-G!

If not clear,
What is the point, via using my latest testings (on this thread)?

In other words,
Your current funny comments should be posted at SedatChess:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3600&start=250

And next time,
Do not hijack current commercial thread (using SCCT's data)!
Or simply maybe you wish to advertise..to keep it as alive.. ?

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:40 pm
by deeds
botunnet wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:49 am
Unintentionally, a daily tester made a little ad for (your) experience files !
...
Under SCCT's conditions, even with a stronger/newer net, an engine can't win.
Thank you but nothing new this year again from the side of the unenlightened daily testers.
We already chose to ignore them for life several days ago.

ps : i added the requested stats here, it will complete your excellent post above. ;)

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:23 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
deeds wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:40 pm

Thank you but nothing new this year again from the side of the unenlightened daily testers.
We already chose to ignore them for life several days ago.
And again and again,
You are in wrong direction!

Sure, you are the BOSS, but
Take it as friendly advise:

In this way, such as putting
Many members in your Ignore, Foe list..etc.
You will loose...and too much customers!

And to be successful, you have to find
Some professional marketing manager/s!
E.g you can consider Me...e.g in this area
I am not so bad....if nothing else so many
Say so...proved and guaranteed !! but my
Work is not so cheap...just saying..!

Otherwise, with your wrong behaviours etc.
You have no much chances... sad, but true!

Re: Depth4_180423.exp (468MB) : sales opening !

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:54 am
by deeds