Patzer AI 020223

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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:47 pm

OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:21 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:43 pm
OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:06 am
alright no problem. and Thanx :difus_19

Not at all...

By the way,
Your learning engines are super strong, but in case of stability,
They suffer.. e.g once crashed (in gauntlet mode via concurrent 64)

It seems there is something wrong with your engine/s codes...because
With all other NON-learning engines no any similar crash is recorded...

In other words
It needs urgently a doctor..with a good medication, treatment.. )

For more info:
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=31024#p31024


Greetings
I doubt there's a cure for that Mr Sedat. since 1 file (Raid.exp ) is being written on and read by 64 copies of Raid.exe at the same time. fewer copies should be fine :difus_3.

Have you experienced it with Raid v2.73 if i may ask, since you once tested it
Why no medicine/cure?...there is nothing impossible..
Plus not all of rest learning engines are getting crash!
Sure you are the Aıthor.. so you should know better..
But anyhow, perhaps with some of latest patches,
It is gone something wrong?!...really no idea by my side!

What I can say over:
This crash happens/appears in the beginning of Gauntlet...
And after..automatically Cutechess GUI terminates...
I mean I can not see anything...just GUI terminates..
Even no any game is starting to play etc.

And it seems the mentioned crash's reason appears,
Because the Gauntlet matches are with concurrent 64 games,
Where in Round-robin is all right..reason too many players are active..
In same time that means
Less eng copies are busy with writing over exp file..so no crash and all stable!

Note also that
So far, I did not check/test older Raid v2.73in Gauntlet mode...
Now my PC is busy with current active tour..but later I will see...

Greetings
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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:50 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:47 pm
OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:21 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:43 pm
OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:06 am
alright no problem. and Thanx :difus_19

Not at all...

By the way,
Your learning engines are super strong, but in case of stability,
They suffer.. e.g once crashed (in gauntlet mode via concurrent 64)

It seems there is something wrong with your engine/s codes...because
With all other NON-learning engines no any similar crash is recorded...

In other words
It needs urgently a doctor..with a good medication, treatment.. )

For more info:
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=31024#p31024


Greetings
I doubt there's a cure for that Mr Sedat. since 1 file (Raid.exp ) is being written on and read by 64 copies of Raid.exe at the same time. fewer copies should be fine :difus_3.

Have you experienced it with Raid v2.73 if i may ask, since you once tested it
Why no medicine/cure?...there is nothing impossible..
Plus not all of rest learning engines are getting crash!
Sure you are the Aıthor.. so you should know better..
But anyhow, perhaps with some of latest patches,
It is gone something wrong?!...really no idea by my side!

What I can say over:
This crash happens/appears in the beginning of Gauntlet...
And after..automatically Cutechess GUI terminates...
I mean no any game is starting to play etc.

And it seems the mentioned crash's reason appears,
Because the Gauntlet matches are with concurrent 64 games,
Where in Round-robin is all right..reason too many players are active..
In same time that means
Less eng copies are busy with writing over exp file..so no crash and all stable!

Note also that
So far, I did not check/test Raid v2.73 engine in Gauntlet mode,
Now my PC is busy with current active tour..but later I will see...

Greetings
:difus_19

you can try what Anton suggested " turning off Experience"

Sedat Canbaz
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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:53 pm

OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:50 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:47 pm
OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:21 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:43 pm
OrgZ wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:06 am
alright no problem. and Thanx :difus_19

Not at all...

By the way,
Your learning engines are super strong, but in case of stability,
They suffer.. e.g once crashed (in gauntlet mode via concurrent 64)

It seems there is something wrong with your engine/s codes...because
With all other NON-learning engines no any similar crash is recorded...

In other words
It needs urgently a doctor..with a good medication, treatment.. )

For more info:
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=31024#p31024


Greetings
I doubt there's a cure for that Mr Sedat. since 1 file (Raid.exp ) is being written on and read by 64 copies of Raid.exe at the same time. fewer copies should be fine :difus_3.

Have you experienced it with Raid v2.73 if i may ask, since you once tested it
Why no medicine/cure?...there is nothing impossible..
Plus not all of rest learning engines are getting crash!
Sure you are the Aıthor.. so you should know better..
But anyhow, perhaps with some of latest patches,
It is gone something wrong?!...really no idea by my side!

What I can say over:
This crash happens/appears in the beginning of Gauntlet...
And after..automatically Cutechess GUI terminates...
I mean no any game is starting to play etc.

And it seems the mentioned crash's reason appears,
Because the Gauntlet matches are with concurrent 64 games,
Where in Round-robin is all right..reason too many players are active..
In same time that means
Less eng copies are busy with writing over exp file..so no crash and all stable!

Note also that
So far, I did not check/test Raid v2.73 engine in Gauntlet mode,
Now my PC is busy with current active tour..but later I will see...

Greetings
:difus_19

you can try what Anton suggested " turning off Experience"
Thanks..

Yes I am aware of that...

But my target was to play all engines by authors suggested default settings

But you are right.. for best solution..
I have to disable learning..at least in Gauntlet mode
Then we will see that these crashes will appear or not...

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by OrgZ » Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:01 pm

:difus_19

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Anton101 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:05 pm

I don't know your super PC Mr. Sedat, I can't go beyond concurrency 3 and honestly no engine has crashed, I use between 70 and 75% of the PC...Possibly high concurrency generates these problems by overwriting an engine that generates experience.

I use DOTS, the experience generated is not useful to me, I test the engine and the added patches and sometimes some other parameters.

Best regards;

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:12 pm

Anton101 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:05 pm
I don't know your super PC Mr. Sedat, I can't go beyond concurrency 3 and honestly no engine has crashed, I use between 70 and 75% of the PC...Possibly high concurrency generates these problems by overwriting an engine that generates experience.

I use DOTS, the experience generated is not useful to me, I test the engine and the added patches and sometimes some other parameters.

Best regards;
I see.. and thanks for valuable info Mr. Anton

Yes.. as you said...with some of learning engines:
in Gauntlet: 64 concurrent can be as main reason...

Greetings

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Anton101 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:15 pm

Your tours are the best Mr. Sedat.

Many thanks for your precious time invested.

Best regards;

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:40 pm

Anton101 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:15 pm
Your tours are the best Mr. Sedat.

Many thanks for your precious time invested.

Best regards;
Thank you very much...you make Me feel happy Mr. Anton )

Yes... I spend BIG efforts for all these tours...
And as a result,
My produced data seems to be not so bad....however
I think that there are many who do better job than Me...
But at least I can say that my work is not worst...

Greetings )

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Anton101 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:29 pm

Have an excellent weekend!

See you monday with updates.

Best regards;

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Re: Patzer AI 020223

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:00 am

Anton101 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:29 pm
Have an excellent weekend!

See you monday with updates.

Best regards;
Thank youı very much )

Same goes to you

Greetings

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