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how many more plies to beat a net ?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:40 am
by deeds
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nn depth + 6 plies
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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
.1 stockfish 210920 classical d24...... : ...714 ...26 .934.5 ..1600 58.4 .466 .937 .197 58.6 ...652 ...2
.2 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d18 : ...700 ...24 2642.0 ..4800 55.0 1222 2840 .738 59.2 ...664 ...5
.3 stockfish 210920 classical d23...... : ...691 ...27 .779.0 ..1600 48.7 .288 .982 .330 61.4 ...700 ...1
.4 stockfish 210920 classical d22...... : ...659 ...26 .816.0 ..1600 51.0 .342 .948 .310 59.3 ...652 ...2
nn depth + 5 plies
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.5 stockfish 210920 classical d21...... : ...633 ...24 .890.5 ..1600 55.7 .465 .851 .284 53.2 ...588 ...2
.6 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d16 : ...604 ...22 2638.5 ..4800 55.0 1422 2433 .945 50.7 ...565 ...6
.7 stockfish 210920 classical d20...... : ...594 ...26 .673.0 ..1600 42.1 .237 .872 .491 54.5 ...652 ...2
.8 stockfish 210920 classical d19...... : ...554 ...25 1110.5 ..1600 69.4 .844 .533 .223 33.3 ...302 ...2
nn depth + 4 plies
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.9 stockfish 210920 classical d18...... : ...503 ...22 1185.5 ..1600 74.1 .916 .539 .145 33.7 ...238 ...2
10 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d14 : ...476 ...19 2649.0 ..4800 55.2 1527 2244 1029 46.8 ...436 ...6
11 stockfish 210920 classical d17...... : ...470 ...23 .650.5 ..1600 40.7 .257 .787 .556 49.2 ...540 ...2
12 stockfish 210920 classical d16...... : ...397 ...24 .504.0 ..1600 31.5 .178 .652 .770 40.8 ...540 ...2
nn depth + 3 plies
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13 stockfish 210920 classical d15...... : ...338 ...19 .709.5 ..1600 44.3 .352 .715 .533 44.7 ...382 ...2
14 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d12 : ...287 ...14 3276.0 ..4800 68.3 2492 1568 .740 32.7 ...120 ...6
15 stockfish 210920 classical d14...... : ...276 ...20 .584.0 ..1600 36.5 .266 .636 .698 39.8 ...382 ...2
16 stockfish 210920 classical d13...... : ...189 ...16 .886.5 ..1600 55.4 .582 .609 .409 38.1 ...144 ...2
nn depth + 2 plies
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17 stockfish 210920 classical d12...... : ....97 ...15 .710.5 ..1600 44.4 .413 .595 .592 37.2 ...144 ...2
18 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d10 : .....0 ----- 1567.0 ..4800 32.6 .858 1418 2524 29.5 ...194 ...6
19 stockfish 210920 classical d11...... : ...-11 ...15 .513.0 ..1600 32.1 .266 .494 .840 30.9 ...144 ...2
20 stockfish 210920 classical d10...... : ..-169 ...17 .280.5 ..1600 17.5 .104 .353 1143 22.1 ...144 ...2
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White advantage = 47.52 +/- 1.75
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
The same tests with sf nn at fixed d20 to d26 against sf classical at fixed d25 to d39 are coming soon...
Re: how many more plies to beat a net ?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:43 am
by deeds
nn depth + 11 plies
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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
.1 stockfish 210920 classical d39...... : ...135 ...28 .422.5 ...800 52.8 .117 .611 ..72 76.4 ...115 ...1
.2 stockfish 210920 classical d38...... : ...115 ...27 .400.5 ...800 50.1 ..89 .623 ..88 77.9 ...115 ...1
.3 stockfish 210920 classical d37...... : ...115 ...22 .828.5 ..1600 51.8 .225 1207 .168 75.4 ...102 ...2
.4 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d26 : ...115 ...20 2876.5 ..5600 51.4 .755 4243 .602 75.8 ...105 ...7
.5 stockfish 210920 classical d36...... : ...103 ...22 .801.0 ..1600 50.1 .195 1212 .193 75.8 ...102 ...2
.6 stockfish 210920 classical d35...... : ....95 ...22 .783.0 ..1600 48.9 .192 1182 .226 73.9 ...102 ...2
nn depth + 10 plies
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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
.7 stockfish 210920 classical d34...... : ....94 ...21 .780.5 ..1600 48.8 .191 1179 .230 73.7 ...102 ...2
.8 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d24 : ....90 ...17 2817.0 ..5600 50.3 .762 4110 .728 73.4 ....88 ...7
.9 stockfish 210920 classical d33...... : ....78 ...22 .746.0 ..1600 46.6 .146 1200 .254 75.0 ...102 ...2
10 stockfish 210920 classical d32...... : ....72 ...15 .860.0 ..1600 53.8 .308 1104 .188 69.0 ....45 ...2
nn depth + 9 plies
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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
11 stockfish 210920 classical d31...... : ....58 ...16 .765.0 ..1600 47.8 .197 1136 .267 71.0 ....73 ...2
12 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d22 : ....57 ...10 3096.0 ..5600 55.3 1206 3780 .614 67.5 ....18 ...7
13 stockfish 210920 classical d30...... : ....46 ...13 .839.5 ..1600 52.5 .288 1103 .209 68.9 ....28 ...2
14 stockfish 210920 classical d29...... : ....38 ...13 .822.0 ..1600 51.4 .275 1094 .231 68.4 ....28 ...2
15 stockfish 210920 classical d28...... : ....12 ...14 .764.5 ..1600 47.8 .218 1093 .289 68.3 ....28 ...2
nn depth + 7 plies
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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
16 stockfish 210920 classical d27...... : ....11 ...13 .761.5 ..1600 47.6 .225 1073 .302 67.1 ....28 ...2
17 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d20 : .....0 ----- 2641.0 ..5600 47.2 .760 3762 1078 67.2 ....21 ...7
18 stockfish 210920 classical d26...... : ....-9 ...13 .717.5 ..1600 44.8 .200 1035 .365 64.7 ....28 ...2
19 stockfish 210920 classical d25...... : ...-27 ...14 .677.5 ..1600 42.3 .156 1043 .401 65.2 ....28 ...2
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White advantage = 53.91 +/- 1.73
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
One day i will try to connect the 2 testsets but at the moment i'm busy.
Re: how many more plies to beat a net ?
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:48 am
by deeds
In order to connect the 2 previous tests :
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) OppAvg OppN
1 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d28 : 0 ---- 4413.0 5600 78.8 3382 2062 156 36.8 -339 7
2 stockfish 210920 classical d38 : -11 17 387.5 800 48.4 77 621 102 77.6 0 1
3 stockfish 210920 classical d39 : -14 17 384.5 800 48.1 76 617 107 77.1 0 1
4 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d18 : -223 21 182.0 800 22.8 1 362 437 45.3 0 1
5 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d16 : -312 24 121.5 800 15.2 2 239 559 29.9 0 1
6 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d14 : -412 29 74.0 800 9.3 0 148 652 18.5 0 1
7 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d12 : -589 47 29.0 800 3.6 0 58 742 7.3 0 1
8 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d10 : -809 92 8.5 800 1.1 0 17 783 2.1 0 1
White advantage = 73.08 +/- 4.59
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
So finally, it shows something like this :
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) OppAvg OppN
1 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d28 : 895 22 4413.0 5600 78.8 3382 2062 156 36.8 544 7
2 stockfish 210920 classical d39 : 887 28 807.0 1600 50.4 193 1228 179 76.8 884 2
3 stockfish 210920 classical d38 : 878 28 788.0 1600 49.3 166 1244 190 77.8 884 2
4 stockfish 210920 classical d37 : 873 31 828.5 1600 51.8 225 1207 168 75.4 860 2
5 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d26 : 872 29 2876.5 5600 51.4 755 4243 602 75.8 862 7
6 stockfish 210920 classical d36 : 860 32 801.0 1600 50.1 195 1212 193 75.8 860 2
7 stockfish 210920 classical d35 : 852 31 783.0 1600 48.9 192 1182 226 73.9 860 2
8 stockfish 210920 classical d34 : 851 32 780.5 1600 48.8 191 1179 230 73.7 860 2
9 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d24 : 847 30 2817.0 5600 50.3 762 4110 728 73.4 845 7
10 stockfish 210920 classical d33 : 835 32 746.0 1600 46.6 146 1200 254 75.0 860 2
11 stockfish 210920 classical d32 : 830 34 860.0 1600 53.8 308 1104 188 69.0 802 2
12 stockfish 210920 classical d31 : 815 34 765.0 1600 47.8 197 1136 267 71.0 831 2
13 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d22 : 814 36 3096.0 5600 55.3 1206 3780 614 67.5 776 7
14 stockfish 210920 classical d30 : 804 38 839.5 1600 52.5 288 1103 209 68.9 786 2
15 stockfish 210920 classical d29 : 796 37 822.0 1600 51.4 275 1094 231 68.4 786 2
16 stockfish 210920 classical d28 : 770 37 764.5 1600 47.8 218 1093 289 68.3 786 2
17 stockfish 210920 classical d27 : 769 37 761.5 1600 47.6 225 1073 302 67.1 786 2
18 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d20 : 758 35 2641.0 5600 47.2 760 3762 1078 67.2 778 7
19 stockfish 210920 classical d26 : 749 37 717.5 1600 44.8 200 1035 365 64.7 786 2
20 stockfish 210920 classical d25 : 730 37 677.5 1600 42.3 156 1043 401 65.2 786 2
21 stockfish 210920 classical d24 : 703 24 934.5 1600 58.4 466 937 197 58.6 641 2
22 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d18 : 688 22 2824.0 5600 50.4 1223 3202 1175 57.2 687 6
23 stockfish 210920 classical d23 : 679 25 779.0 1600 48.7 288 982 330 61.4 688 1
24 stockfish 210920 classical d22 : 649 24 816.0 1600 51.0 342 948 310 59.3 641 2
25 stockfish 210920 classical d21 : 625 23 890.5 1600 55.7 465 851 284 53.2 580 2
26 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d16 : 594 21 2760.0 5600 49.3 1424 2672 1504 47.7 604 7
27 stockfish 210920 classical d20 : 583 24 673.0 1600 42.1 237 872 491 54.5 641 2
28 stockfish 210920 classical d19 : 546 23 1110.5 1600 69.4 844 533 223 33.3 297 2
29 stockfish 210920 classical d18 : 500 22 1185.5 1600 74.1 916 539 145 33.7 236 2
30 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d14 : 473 18 2723.0 5600 48.6 1527 2392 1681 42.7 498 7
31 stockfish 210920 classical d17 : 464 23 650.5 1600 40.7 257 787 556 49.2 533 2
32 stockfish 210920 classical d16 : 391 22 504.0 1600 31.5 178 652 770 40.8 533 2
33 stockfish 210920 classical d15 : 337 19 709.5 1600 44.3 352 715 533 44.7 380 2
34 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d12 : 288 13 3305.0 5600 59.0 2492 1626 1482 29.0 230 7
35 stockfish 210920 classical d14 : 275 19 584.0 1600 36.5 266 636 698 39.8 380 2
36 stockfish 210920 classical d13 : 189 15 886.5 1600 55.4 582 609 409 38.1 144 2
37 stockfish 210920 classical d12 : 97 15 710.5 1600 44.4 413 595 592 37.2 144 2
38 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d10 : 0 ---- 1575.5 5600 28.1 858 1435 3307 25.6 292 7
39 stockfish 210920 classical d11 : -12 15 513.0 1600 32.1 266 494 840 30.9 144 2
40 stockfish 210920 classical d10 : -169 17 280.5 1600 17.5 104 353 1143 22.1 144 2
White advantage = 52.27 +/- 1.17
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
To beat the net nn-03744f8d56d8 :
- at d10 we need 2 more plies (classsical d12)
- at d16 we need 5 more plies (classsical d21)
- at d22 we need 10 more plies (classsical d32)
- etc
About the net nn-03744f8d56d8 at d28, i expect 15 or 16 more plies (classical d43 or d44)...
elo gain vds depth+5 plies