pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:04 pm

Overall :

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      57     27   185.5     320  58.0   55  261    4  81.6       0     1
   2 Brain 110323.bin (Eman 8.40)     :       0   ----   134.5     320  42.0    4  261   55  81.6      57     1

White advantage = 41.80 +/- 13.65
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players               : avg. D31, 002 074 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 032 757 moves

brain 110323 (eman 8.40)  : avg. D32, 002 159 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 015 759 moves
depth4_120824 (eman 8.40) : avg. D31, 001 996 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 998 moves

Averages :
0 212 sec/game (4 min/game)
115 plies/game (102 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 303 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 712 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D38, 001 242 ms/move

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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:23 pm

deeds wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:47 am
Eman's training with the main openings (book width = 1) of about ten books is finished :

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Opening books not being my domain, I needed some stats, some orders of magnitude, to see what their main openings looked like (book width=1), etc.

Based on the above stats, I think I can continue Eman's training even with their secondary openings (book width = 2), with other books, with a newer experience file, etc.
Eman's training with the secondary openings (book width = 2) of about ten books is finished :

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Based on the above stats, with "book width = 2", the books lost about ten additional games than with "book width = 1".

I'm thinking about how to continue Eman's training with other books, with a more recent experience file, etc.

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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Mon Feb 17, 2025 3:07 pm

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   # PLAYER                                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)     W     D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_xxxxxx.exp (Eman 8.xx)                    :       0   ----  3646.0    6400  57.0  1031  5230  139  81.7     -50    20
   2 width1 - Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.xx)             :     -33     27   145.0     320  45.3    15   260   45  81.3       0     1
   3 width1 - Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.xx)              :     -37     26   143.5     320  44.8     7   273   40  85.3       0     1
   4 width1 - hcanfree-upd.bin (Eman 8.xx)            :     -39     27   142.5     320  44.5     7   271   42  84.7       0     1
   5 width1 - Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.xx)              :     -39     28   142.5     320  44.5     8   269   43  84.1       0     1
   6 width1 - Solista-010722.bin (Eman 8.xx)          :     -39     28   142.5     320  44.5     7   271   42  84.7       0     1
   7 width2 - Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.xx)             :     -45     28   140.0     320  43.8    13   254   53  79.4       0     1
   8 width1 - Agarta-040623.bin (Eman 8.xx)           :     -47     28   139.0     320  43.4     6   266   48  83.1       0     1
   9 width1 - Leschats14062023.bin (Eman 8.xx)        :     -49     27   138.0     320  43.1     5   266   49  83.1       0     1
  10 width1 - Olisfish-040623.bin (Eman 8.xx)         :     -50     28   137.5     320  43.0     8   259   53  80.9       0     1
  11 width2 - Sentinel 160623.bin (Eman 8.xx)         :     -51     28   137.0     320  42.8     7   260   53  81.3       0     1
  12 width1 - Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.xx)         :     -52     27   136.5     320  42.7     7   259   54  80.9       0     1
  13 width1 - Chucaro 4 UPD2.bin (Eman 8.xx)          :     -52     28   136.5     320  42.7     9   255   56  79.7       0     1
  14 width2 - Cani 230323.bin (Eman 8.xx)             :     -54     27   136.0     320  42.5     6   260   54  81.3       0     1
  15 width2 - Solista Attack v3.bin (Eman 8.xx)       :     -54     27   136.0     320  42.5     5   262   53  81.9       0     1
  16 width2 - NebulaRing178.bin (Eman 8.xx)           :     -57     27   134.5     320  42.0     6   257   57  80.3       0     1
  17 width2 - StudentChess 140123.bin (Eman 8.xx)     :     -57     28   134.5     320  42.0     5   259   56  80.9       0     1
  18 width2 - Brain 110323.bin (Eman 8.xx)            :     -57     28   134.5     320  42.0     4   261   55  81.6       0     1
  19 width2 - ThunderWizard 310822.bin (Eman 8.xx)    :     -58     27   134.0     320  41.9     3   262   55  81.9       0     1
  20 width2 - CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.xx)          :     -62     27   132.5     320  41.4     4   257   59  80.3       0     1
  21 width2 - M13.8.bin (Eman 8.xx)                   :     -64     28   131.5     320  41.1     7   249   64  77.8       0     1

White advantage = 37.26 +/- 3.27
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:38 pm

deeds wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:23 pm
I'm thinking about how to continue Eman's training with other books, with a more recent experience file, etc.
I should avoid training Eman with opening books from the starting position because the recent opening books offer roughly the same attacks/defenses so after a few games, they become harmless for a learning engine.
:arrow: maybe i should use older opening books...

Even with "width=3" I doubt that another ten opening books can improve the accuracy of my Depth4 experience file on these 4 opening lists (ghppn, 20 first moves, silver gambit suite, tcec s22 superfinal).
:arrow: maybe it's time to train Eman on other opening lists (salc, noomen, yhwh, etc.)...

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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Post by deeds » Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:39 pm

:tick older opening books (from 2005 to 2014)
:tick other opening lists (salc, noomen, yhwh)
:tick new experience file (Depth4_180225.exp, 750 MB)
:tick other GUI (arena 3.5.1)

Eman's training with opening books

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