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[Sedat Canbaz]

Tomorrow I will publish the results, because I have to leave now and I don’t have time.

Do not worry... it is all right

[Sedat Canbaz]

Breaking News (23.06.2024):
1st of all, thanks to all authors..without you: these tours would not exist !!
Yes another new CS is organized...and as players of 3770+ participated..
What is new (via current tour)? only 1 (one) engine per author/s allowed
And instead of Balsa this time Unique openings are used..and as we see,
Any engine performance depends on our used cond. e.g via Balsa suite: LI
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -cs-51-2nd
If we are looking for eng improvements... the situation is 'piteous' for sure,
Where via Unique suite, it's clear that there is serious improvement, right?
And in same time that means via strong openings is 'worthless' to organize
3770+ tours, because the electricity is not cheap in my area, where I live..)
And without to not mention this I can not as well, some people prefer to say
Such as Perfect, Balsa openings are Drawish Btw, maybe Top engines are
Too Drawish? Who knows ?) However they suggest to be used other books
Suites..usually, they suggest the very weak suites..sure no problem..anyone
Is free to run, to use any opening, engine as he wish...But however, these
'Clever' experts are missing one small point, if via handicapped, weak suite:
1st They always forget to mention that these opening suites are very weak!
2nd for right, correct Elo measurements are required thousands of games
Per player..that's it..no more no less and 3rd I hope my postings will be useful..
On other hand, Skynet's engine is as 'BEAST' under these tournament cond!
And frankly soımetimes I wonder...(since SF-PB is based/derived from SF)
How can be possible that SF-PB is performing better than its mother (SF) ?
Sure I'm not a programmer, but looks like SF-PB is came from other planet..
And destroyed everything on field..reality is reality..!! Btw for anyone missed,
SF-PB has tiny size, capable to use BIN, in short, what we can need more?)
Where its real mother (SF) has no such great futures...sad...but very old SF
Vers. were capable to use BIN...(if I'm not wrong up to SF5 were capable...)
In other words, actually the wheel goes forward, not backward, but whatever..
And more strange, mostly Top ones which are considering as original (sure
I mean for NON-SF based engines), they are not capable to use BIN too ))
And my 6th strong sense says if SF will start to use BIN, they will start too )

The Champion: SF-PB 120624 - My Congratulations to Skynet, SF Team!
I congratulate the authors of D. Blue for 2nd place / SF-PRO for 3rd too!


For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-nn-cs-52

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/Kl4TBYiJ#dnKWq5KX8 ... mda4_LLDu0

Have a nice weekend )
Sedat

[Anton101]

Excellent tournament, congratulations to #1.

Without a doubt, it deserves all our respect for the time and resources invested.

Thank you!

Just a favor, I need to know which pgn or suite you used for this tour.

Best wishes Sedat.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Excellent tournament, congratulations to #1.

Without a doubt, it deserves all our respect for the time and resources invested.

Thank you!

Just a favor, I need to know which pgn or suite you used for this tour.

Best wishes Sedat.

Hello Anton,

Thanks a lot for your kind words...

All engines are played via Unique openings,
Which is private version and still in progress..

Greetings )

[Sedat Canbaz]

One thing more,
• Against time loses, any Engine's move overhead is increased to 250
Except SF-PRO, which comes without move overhead options, sad..
Very likely for these reasons, SF-PRO lost 3 (three) games on time (
I hope these engines which are not stable..will be fixed..if not simply
They will be out.. sure if future tours... thanks for your understanding,
Because 'Stability' is one of most important parts at least for my side!
In short, for fair..we have to fight against gaining very easy points...
Anyhow here is Screenshot, so you can check which are lost on time
E.g there are 12 games lost on time, mainly by Polyfish and SF-PRO:



Best,
Sedat

[APOCALYPSE]

Tomorrow I will publish the results, because I have to leave now and I don’t have time.

Do not worry... it is all right

I'm not worried at all, I'm just informing you
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3670&start=130

[Homayoun]

One thing more,
• Against time loses, any Engine's move overhead is increased to 250
Except SF-PRO, which comes without move overhead options, sad..
Very likely for these reasons, SF-PRO lost 3 (three) games on time (
I hope these engines which are not stable..will be fixed..if not simply
They will be out.. sure if future tours... thanks for your understanding,
Because 'Stability' is one of most important parts at least for my side!
In short, for fair..we have to fight against gaining very easy points...
Anyhow here is Screenshot, so you can check which are lost on time
E.g there are 12 games lost on time, mainly by Polyfish and SF-PRO:



Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Chess Friends,

As usually, I'm very pleased to announce that,
I plan to organize another exciting Duel match..!
But this time under more optimal tour conditions:
Blitz, MP, Ponder ON...

Some quick notes about the planning participants:
Both engines are Winners of recent tournaments: LI / LII
And it seems not bad idea to be in battle each other, right?

Btw,
Any guess: who will be the Grand Champion of this Duel?

Ok friends that's all for now, exception, soon as possible,
Minimum 300 games will be played out... Good Luck )

For more info (coming soon):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... n-vs-sf-pb


Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE

Yes...SF-PB wins again..!! Congrats to Skynet and SF team!
I congratulate OrgZ too! No One can be always Number One!
Because any one may go down, but this is also true that as
Most important achievement is to get back up again, right?

On the other hand,
Once more we noticed that Skynet's SF-PB engine is very
Strong, powerful.. fully deserves to be called 'Born to Win'!
Meanwhile, (for anyone missed) according to overall stats:
SF-PB has many records as Number One..that means a lot!
Of course, as same words are going for OrgZ's engines too!

Be aware of that too,
In Duel matches: Champions titles are not given, as reasons:
Due to small contests (only 2 players, small number of games),
Anyhow I think these kind of Duels are worth to be organized,
Otherwise, if all tours were same, chess would not be boring?
Sure not good idea to run only Duels, because if running often:
It's not a very effective way to test all other Top chess engines,
But no doubt via Ratings (many players + games) provide much
More useful info about determining who is best, sure I respect
Other Testers as well, but not all of us have similar hardware,
Much free time etc. Btw, is that all enough ? not of course.. )

What I can say more,
Current Duel's database seems to be really not bad in quality!
Besides, there are not so many games out... I mean played
Under similar cond. such as on same, fast CPU machine etc.
But I admit too that the current draw percentage is high (95%),
As reasons: played MP, Blitz, Ponder ON..actually you know,
There are some ways to reduce the draws, e.g switching to
Much weaker openings, but just in case it's as lottery,mystery..
To see which one is stronger e.g in 300 games (per player),
Other reasonable alternatives are e.g we have to use 1 Core,
Bullet, Ponder OFF..or playing vs weaker opponents, then
The Draws are expecting to go down as well...or switching to
Directly to old, slow hardwares..then we'll see less Draws too

Ok...too many comments ) and here are the Duel's results:

Code: Select all

1   SF-PB 120624   +10/-4/=286 51.00%  153.0/300
2   C-Dragon v3.0  +4/-10/=286 49.00%  147.0/300

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/ykoygSTb#oMKfyrp09 ... tOTyCi7y6o


Best,
Sedat

[supernova]

Breaking News (23.06.2024):
1st of all, thanks to all authors..without you: these tours would not exist !!
Yes another new CS is organized...and as players of 3770+ participated..
What is new (via current tour)? only 1 (one) engine per author/s allowed
And instead of Balsa this time Unique openings are used..and as we see,
Any engine performance depends on our used cond. e.g via Balsa suite: LI
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -cs-51-2nd
If we are looking for eng improvements... the situation is 'piteous' for sure,
Where via Unique suite, it's clear that there is serious improvement, right?
And in same time that means via strong openings is 'worthless' to organize
3770+ tours, because the electricity is not cheap in my area, where I live..)
And without to not mention this I can not as well, some people prefer to say
Such as Perfect, Balsa openings are Drawish Btw, maybe Top engines are
Too Drawish? Who knows ?) However they suggest to be used other books
Suites..usually, they suggest the very weak suites..sure no problem..anyone
Is free to run, to use any opening, engine as he wish...But however, these
'Clever' experts are missing one small point, if via handicapped, weak suite:
1st They always forget to mention that these opening suites are very weak!
2nd for right, correct Elo measurements are required thousands of games
Per player..that's it..no more no less and 3rd I hope my postings will be useful..
On other hand, Skynet's engine is as 'BEAST' under these tournament cond!
And frankly soımetimes I wonder...(since SF-PB is based/derived from SF)
How can be possible that SF-PB is performing better than its mother (SF) ?
Sure I'm not a programmer, but looks like SF-PB is came from other planet..
And destroyed everything on field..reality is reality..!! Btw for anyone missed,
SF-PB has tiny size, capable to use BIN, in short, what we can need more?)
Where its real mother (SF) has no such great futures...sad...but very old SF
Vers. were capable to use BIN...(if I'm not wrong up to SF5 were capable...)
In other words, actually the wheel goes forward, not backward, but whatever..
And more strange, mostly Top ones which are considering as original (sure
I mean for NON-SF based engines), they are not capable to use BIN too ))
And my 6th strong sense says if SF will start to use BIN, they will start too )

The Champion: SF-PB 120624 - My Congratulations to Skynet, SF Team!
I congratulate the authors of D. Blue for 2nd place / SF-PRO for 3rd too!


For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-nn-cs-52

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/Kl4TBYiJ#dnKWq5KX8 ... mda4_LLDu0

Have a nice weekend )
Sedat

Hello,

I have rewritten your news for my better understanding as follows:


Breaking News (23.06.2024):

Firstly, thanks to all the authors—without you, these tournaments wouldn’t exist!

A new Chess Supercomputer (CS) tournament has been organized with over 3770+ participants. The key change this time is that only one engine per author is allowed. Instead of using the Balsa suite, unique openings are now employed.

Engine performance heavily depends on the conditions used. For example, with the Balsa suite, the performance may be unimpressive. However, using the Unique suite, we see significant improvements.

Due to high electricity costs in my area, organizing large tournaments with strong openings is not feasible. Some argue that certain openings, like Perfect or Balsa, lead to too many draws and suggest using weaker opening suites. While everyone is free to use any opening or engine they prefer, these ‘experts’ often miss key points:

1. These suggested opening suites are very weak.
2. Accurate Elo measurements require thousands of games per player.
3. I hope my insights will be helpful.

Skynet’s engine performed like a beast under these tournament conditions. Interestingly, SF-PB, derived from SF, outperforms its predecessor. Despite not being a programmer, I find SF-PB’s performance astonishing. It has a tiny size and can use BIN files, unlike its predecessor, which had similar capabilities up to SF5.

In conclusion, the evolution of these engines moves forward, not backward. Surprisingly, many top engines, not based on SF, still can’t use BIN files. I suspect that if SF starts using BIN again, others will follow suit.

The Champion: SF-PB 120624 - Congratulations to Skynet and the SF Team!
Congratulations also to the authors of D. Blue for 2nd place and SF-PRO for 3rd place!