SedatChess
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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News (26.05.2024):
Via current update, only one book is entered: OPTIMUS 2405... it's a new
Version, released recently...anyhow, I can say that very good performance,
Since OPTIMUS series are free plus publicly available since a long time.. !
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )
Via current update, only one book is entered: OPTIMUS 2405... it's a new
Version, released recently...anyhow, I can say that very good performance,
Since OPTIMUS series are free plus publicly available since a long time.. !
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )
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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News (29.05.2024):
Via latest update, 4 books entered, where LesChats is performed very well !
Rest 3 ones are own books, especially both (Rebel and Arasan) performed
Not so bad..about Marvin book..as usual suffers, it seems not tuned so well
On other hand, I wonder much: who will manage to stop DON ?) it seems
Not so easy as it looks, sure after all ..about all this mystery..TIME will tell..
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )
Via latest update, 4 books entered, where LesChats is performed very well !
Rest 3 ones are own books, especially both (Rebel and Arasan) performed
Not so bad..about Marvin book..as usual suffers, it seems not tuned so well
On other hand, I wonder much: who will manage to stop DON ?) it seems
Not so easy as it looks, sure after all ..about all this mystery..TIME will tell..
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )
Re: SedatChess
Sedat Canbaz wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:07 pmBreaking News (29.05.2024):
Via latest update, 4 books entered, where LesChats is performed very well !
Rest 3 ones are own books, especially both (Rebel and Arasan) performed
Not so bad..about Marvin book..as usual suffers, it seems not tuned so well
On other hand, I wonder much: who will manage to stop DON ?) it seems
Not so easy as it looks, sure after all ..about all this mystery..TIME will tell..
For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )

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Re: SedatChess
Hello There )
As usual, I am pleased to announce that
Just another new special CS is started..
As Participants,
The current Top 8 high-rated books of B/N CS XXX!
Any opening book will contain minimum 280 games
Meanwhile( If Leading players will have equal points),
Tie-break matches will be played for Champion title
What is New,
MP, Ponder ON, Brainlearn 27 AVX2 (compiled by OrgZ) and
Why not newer ver is used? as reason no much Elo progress
Since many months..even I can say newer SF dev are weaker!
You know, not always newer are better....proved many times
Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 4 Core/Game, Ponder ON, 1m+06s, 128 MB Hash, 4-MEN
Cutechess GUI's Concurrent option is configurated to be played: 11 (eleven) games
More Details (for better and for more fair conditions),
On 2x Epyc 7B12 machine installed 256 GB Ram, SMT(HT) + LP disabled
As you may see on picture, NPS values are not so high..but note also
That higher NPS values (if SMT is ON) do not mean better (in chess)!
E.g according to my benchmark tests, mostly engines perform better
When SMT (Hyper Threading) is disabled, plus more stable for sure!
And to be more clear, we should not mix the apples with oranges!
Why I say like that? many people say instead of Logical Threads as Cores (
But in reality is this true? not of course... besides many advice to be used
Many threads (per engine) but they forget also just in case FUN is dead (
Sure they can be right..but very likely their used openings are so weak
Or their hardwares are not stable or not so fast.. maybe that's why they
Produce more wins..otherwise..with optimal cond. forget to see FUN!
Btw, there are also such guys who underestimate Bullet TC etc...but
Just in case e.g with Slower TC...then again FUN is going to be dead..!
Actually as we see here..even with Bullet TC, the FUN is almost dead...
In other words,
I like critics...in this way, we may gain..but however there is one true:
Practice and Theory are two different things too.. for this, I suggest to
Create a good own rating...just running not enough games..means nothing!
Especially if our goal is to determine the real strength of any book/engine!
Ok.. and here are the 1st played results (LIVE RANKING) and Good Luck )

And please stay tuned...very soon new result update..
Best,
Sedat
As usual, I am pleased to announce that
Just another new special CS is started..
As Participants,
The current Top 8 high-rated books of B/N CS XXX!
Any opening book will contain minimum 280 games
Meanwhile( If Leading players will have equal points),
Tie-break matches will be played for Champion title
What is New,
MP, Ponder ON, Brainlearn 27 AVX2 (compiled by OrgZ) and
Why not newer ver is used? as reason no much Elo progress
Since many months..even I can say newer SF dev are weaker!
You know, not always newer are better....proved many times
Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 4 Core/Game, Ponder ON, 1m+06s, 128 MB Hash, 4-MEN
Cutechess GUI's Concurrent option is configurated to be played: 11 (eleven) games
More Details (for better and for more fair conditions),
On 2x Epyc 7B12 machine installed 256 GB Ram, SMT(HT) + LP disabled
As you may see on picture, NPS values are not so high..but note also
That higher NPS values (if SMT is ON) do not mean better (in chess)!
E.g according to my benchmark tests, mostly engines perform better
When SMT (Hyper Threading) is disabled, plus more stable for sure!
And to be more clear, we should not mix the apples with oranges!
Why I say like that? many people say instead of Logical Threads as Cores (
But in reality is this true? not of course... besides many advice to be used
Many threads (per engine) but they forget also just in case FUN is dead (
Sure they can be right..but very likely their used openings are so weak
Or their hardwares are not stable or not so fast.. maybe that's why they
Produce more wins..otherwise..with optimal cond. forget to see FUN!
Btw, there are also such guys who underestimate Bullet TC etc...but
Just in case e.g with Slower TC...then again FUN is going to be dead..!
Actually as we see here..even with Bullet TC, the FUN is almost dead...
In other words,
I like critics...in this way, we may gain..but however there is one true:
Practice and Theory are two different things too.. for this, I suggest to
Create a good own rating...just running not enough games..means nothing!
Especially if our goal is to determine the real strength of any book/engine!
Ok.. and here are the 1st played results (LIVE RANKING) and Good Luck )

And please stay tuned...very soon new result update..
Best,
Sedat
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Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 2
And again and again very interesting:
3 Leading Books: DON, HCAN, ORIONPAX - Congratulations..!
As we see here, under these test cond. is not so easy to
Determine which Top opening book is Best of the Best ?!
In same time that means, these books are super strong,
Which contain less holes for sure... in other words,
Theirs target is simply to gain points/ to be on Top !!
Btw,
Soon there will be TIE-BREAK matches (min 40 games per player)
And if still their points will be equal..then extra 40 games...sure
After all...I am very excited ...I assume you too...?) Good Luck )
And again and again very interesting:
3 Leading Books: DON, HCAN, ORIONPAX - Congratulations..!
As we see here, under these test cond. is not so easy to
Determine which Top opening book is Best of the Best ?!
In same time that means, these books are super strong,
Which contain less holes for sure... in other words,
Theirs target is simply to gain points/ to be on Top !!
Btw,
Soon there will be TIE-BREAK matches (min 40 games per player)
And if still their points will be equal..then extra 40 games...sure
After all...I am very excited ...I assume you too...?) Good Luck )
Code: Select all
Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 HCan 160524 3822 2 3 280 50% 3820 99%
2 ORIONPAX 2405 3822 2 3 280 50% 3820 99%
3 DON 190524 3822 2 3 280 50% 3820 99%
4 Unicarnio Upd2 3820 3 3 280 50% 3820 99%
5 Pyramid 280324 3820 3 3 280 50% 3820 99%
6 Adrian Oliva 3819 3 3 280 50% 3820 99%
7 Varied-24 3818 3 2 280 50% 3820 99%
8 Dara 200524 3818 3 2 280 49% 3820 98%
Note: The Draw Ratio (based on 1120 games) is very high: 99%
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Thank you very much, Sedat.
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Breaking News (05.06.2024):
Just another special CS is organized with Top 8 high-rated of BN XXX
And the Winner is HCAN...really amazing performance! but I admit too
The rest players performed so well! Note that all games will be shared
After the end of BN XXX tour, thanks for your understanding, exception
The Book Authors may get their played games (sure in case of request)
B/N XXXa Champion: HCAN - My Congratulations to Hamdullah Can!
By the way,
Here are the TIE-BREAK results, where HCAN managed to be NUMBER ONE:
FOR FINAL/FULL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nn-cs-30a
Greetings )
Just another special CS is organized with Top 8 high-rated of BN XXX
And the Winner is HCAN...really amazing performance! but I admit too
The rest players performed so well! Note that all games will be shared
After the end of BN XXX tour, thanks for your understanding, exception
The Book Authors may get their played games (sure in case of request)
B/N XXXa Champion: HCAN - My Congratulations to Hamdullah Can!
By the way,
Here are the TIE-BREAK results, where HCAN managed to be NUMBER ONE:
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 HCan 160524 9 17 40 51.2% 97.5%
2 ORIONPAX 2405 0 0 40 50.0% 100.0%
3 DON 190524 -9 17 40 48.8% 97.5%
60 of 60 games finished.
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nn-cs-30a
Greetings )
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Meanwhile,
Another new tour idea is born, same cond. (MP+PONDER ON etc.)
Exc. this time all Top 8 high-rated books via Raubfish X40c3 SC
And here are the 1st played results, where HCAN leads again !
Ok..let's see what will be influences (after more games...)
Who knows ? perhaps in this new active championship:
DARA or ADRIAN OLIVA or any other would be Winner ?!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL !

Another new tour idea is born, same cond. (MP+PONDER ON etc.)
Exc. this time all Top 8 high-rated books via Raubfish X40c3 SC
And here are the 1st played results, where HCAN leads again !
Ok..let's see what will be influences (after more games...)
Who knows ? perhaps in this new active championship:
DARA or ADRIAN OLIVA or any other would be Winner ?!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL !

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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News (06.06.2024):
Just two special CS are organized..(with Top 8 high-rated of B/N XXX)
And the Winner of both tours is HCAN... really amazing performance !!
I admit too the rest players performed so well! What I can say more, you
Can appreciate any standing which you like more, but however via latest
Competitions, now is more clear which ones are stronger in TREND lines,
Besides, as you may see too the draw diff. is 5% higher via Brainlearn 27
Plus via Brainlearn, simply I can say that less job is left to opening books,
Since all books gained from bigger,stronger NNUE data, where the tour via
Raubfish SC..here the books gained from smaller/weaker NN data..in same
That means the books are played more influence over the produced results!
While mentioning 'job' as most important job is going to the book makers!
Because even a single mistake...we may expect diff. book performances..
Note also that all of played games will be available after end of B/N XXX
Exc. Book Authors may get their played games (sure in case of request)
The Grand Champion: HCAN - Congratulations to Hamdullah Can!
Latest Tour's Standings (via Raubfish SC):
For More Rankings, Details etc:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nn-cs-30a
Best,
Sedat
Just two special CS are organized..(with Top 8 high-rated of B/N XXX)
And the Winner of both tours is HCAN... really amazing performance !!
I admit too the rest players performed so well! What I can say more, you
Can appreciate any standing which you like more, but however via latest
Competitions, now is more clear which ones are stronger in TREND lines,
Besides, as you may see too the draw diff. is 5% higher via Brainlearn 27
Plus via Brainlearn, simply I can say that less job is left to opening books,
Since all books gained from bigger,stronger NNUE data, where the tour via
Raubfish SC..here the books gained from smaller/weaker NN data..in same
That means the books are played more influence over the produced results!
While mentioning 'job' as most important job is going to the book makers!
Because even a single mistake...we may expect diff. book performances..
Note also that all of played games will be available after end of B/N XXX
Exc. Book Authors may get their played games (sure in case of request)
The Grand Champion: HCAN - Congratulations to Hamdullah Can!
Latest Tour's Standings (via Raubfish SC):
Code: Select all
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS GAMES (%)
1 HCan 160524 : 3793.2 144.5 280 52
2 Dara 200524 : 3788.8 142.5 280 51
3 Adrian Oliva : 3787.7 142.0 280 51
4 Varied 24 : 3784.4 140.5 280 50
5 Pyramid 280324 : 3782.2 139.5 280 50
6 Unicornio Upd2 : 3780.0 138.5 280 49
7 ORIONPAX 2405 : 3776.7 137.0 280 49
8 DON 190524 : 3773.4 135.5 280 48
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -nn-cs-30a
Best,
Sedat