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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:43 pm

Hello Chess Friends,

I am very pleased to announce that
Just another BOOK NNUE CS started..

What is new?
All Book entries will be played by Brainlearn 27 Vs much weaker
Constant engines, which are about 100 Elo weaker than Brainlearn,
Where all weaker engines will use to play via Balsa-Wins book,
In this way, there will be BIG fun, because the overall draws are
Expecting much lower..reason, about 100 Elo Eng NN difference!

Why Balsa (for all constant 10 engines)?,
1st it's one of strongest suites, which prefer various openings!
2nd via Balsa, we will have more chances to see which books are
Better in overall openings..just TREND openings...not enough !!
3rd. Besides, Balsa book includes not so many BIG holes for sure!
Otherwise, let's say we used SPCC, CCRL, TCEC etc. we will have
Many weaker lines, that means easier points.. sorry, this time,
The tour's target is to see stronger lines..that means harder..!

And why Brainlearn 27 (main engine for planing book entries)?
For several reasons, 1st the Strongest, less Drawish, sure
Under these used/played conditions...note also that current
Brainlearn is special ver, compiled by Mr. Tanick Ramz (Orgz),
Futures CTG, BIN, other important future has small size (1.8 MB)
And in same time, compatible to use external NNUE Evalfiles!
You may know, otherwise if using for each book player 76 MB:
It is simply pointless...not logical... right ?

And here are latest Candidate tour results, played at Bullet 1m+06s,
Note that due to no free time, all newer 3750+ are not tested..but
Just..via strong openings: no much improvement...this is a fact!
And I plan to pick 10 engines, which will be about 100 Elo weaker:

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   # PLAYER              :  RATING  POINTS   GAMES   (%)
   1 Brainlearn 27       :  3804.1   651.5    1000    65
   2 RapTora 2.3         :  3797.5   643.0    1000    64
   3 Raid 3.5            :  3796.2   706.5    1100    64
   4 Raid 3.4            :  3788.2   695.0    1100    63
   5 CiChess 040121      :  3710.6   571.0    1100    52
   6 Caissa 1.18         :  3710.3   624.0    1200    52
   7 Cfish 250621        :  3705.9   563.0    1100    51
   8 Eman 6.91           :  3705.0   561.5    1100    51
   9 Crystal 060622      :  3700.4   804.5    1700    47
  10 Stockfish 13        :  3700.0   453.5    1000    45
  11 KDragon 2.5         :  3699.5   852.0    1800    47
  12 KDragon 3.3 MCTS    :  3695.1   840.5    1800    47
  13 CF-EXT 161120       :  3694.4   736.5    1600    46
  14 FatFritz 3          :  3692.0   783.5    1700    46
  15 Obsidian 11         :  3689.3   774.5    1700    46
  16 Berserk 11.1        :  3688.6   775.0    1700    46
  17 Caissa 1.16         :  3688.2   534.0    1200    45
  18 Raubfisch X45       :  3687.6   772.5    1700    45
  19 ShashChess 16       :  3685.5   458.0    1000    46
In other words,
Let's see under these new cond. which books will gain more points?)
DON, OPTIMUS, PYRAMID, TURKEY.. one of them will be next Champ ?
Or any other ? ok...we will see... after all, time will tell...)

And please stay tuned, more info etc. very soon )


Best,
Sedat

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:01 pm

UPDATE

DON is entered...

Note: This is the same DON vers, which managed to be
Number One in previous/ recent organized book tours!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DON 010324                     91      13     628   62.7%   74.2% 
   1 Crystal 060622                -66      35      64   40.6%   81.3% 
   2 Caissa 1.18                   -67      39      63   40.5%   77.8% 
   3 FatFritz 3                    -69      36      61   40.2%   80.3% 
   4 Cfish 250621                  -72      36      64   39.8%   79.7% 
   5 KDragon 3.3 MCTS              -74      37      62   39.5%   79.0% 
   6 Berserk 11.1                  -96      41      63   36.5%   73.0% 
   7 CF-EXT 161120                -102      42      63   35.7%   71.4% 
   8 Obsidian 11                  -108      44      63   34.9%   69.8% 
   9 KDragon 2.5                  -116      45      62   33.9%   67.7% 
  10 CiChess 040121               -139      49      63   31.0%   61.9% 

628 of 1000 games finished.

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Homayoun » Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:43 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:01 pm
UPDATE

DON is entered...

Note: This is the same DON vers, which managed to be
Number One in previous/ recent organized book tours!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DON 010324                     91      13     628   62.7%   74.2% 
   1 Crystal 060622                -66      35      64   40.6%   81.3% 
   2 Caissa 1.18                   -67      39      63   40.5%   77.8% 
   3 FatFritz 3                    -69      36      61   40.2%   80.3% 
   4 Cfish 250621                  -72      36      64   39.8%   79.7% 
   5 KDragon 3.3 MCTS              -74      37      62   39.5%   79.0% 
   6 Berserk 11.1                  -96      41      63   36.5%   73.0% 
   7 CF-EXT 161120                -102      42      63   35.7%   71.4% 
   8 Obsidian 11                  -108      44      63   34.9%   69.8% 
   9 KDragon 2.5                  -116      45      62   33.9%   67.7% 
  10 CiChess 040121               -139      49      63   31.0%   61.9% 

628 of 1000 games finished.
:difus_19

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:08 am

Homayoun wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:43 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:01 pm
UPDATE

DON is entered...

Note: This is the same DON vers, which managed to be
Number One in previous/ recent organized book tours!

Code: Select all

Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 DON 010324                     91      13     628   62.7%   74.2% 
   1 Crystal 060622                -66      35      64   40.6%   81.3% 
   2 Caissa 1.18                   -67      39      63   40.5%   77.8% 
   3 FatFritz 3                    -69      36      61   40.2%   80.3% 
   4 Cfish 250621                  -72      36      64   39.8%   79.7% 
   5 KDragon 3.3 MCTS              -74      37      62   39.5%   79.0% 
   6 Berserk 11.1                  -96      41      63   36.5%   73.0% 
   7 CF-EXT 161120                -102      42      63   35.7%   71.4% 
   8 Obsidian 11                  -108      44      63   34.9%   69.8% 
   9 KDragon 2.5                  -116      45      62   33.9%   67.7% 
  10 CiChess 040121               -139      49      63   31.0%   61.9% 

628 of 1000 games finished.
:difus_19
Thanks )

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:12 am

Update 2

This time unfortunately I have not so good news,
The planning:/started new CS is already cancelled!

As reason, for example, in Gauntlet mode:
3 of current 3700 Elo engines are not capable to use Balsa-Wins bin!
Actually normally they are capable to use...but it all depends, e.g
If including a few players (4 books) it's all right..no problem...but
If adding all players (11 books), then Cfish, Cichess and CF-EXT are
Starting to play as without book..very strange...never seen before!
But at least I'm sure that rest 7 engines are used to play via Balsa...

Btw, just I'd like to point out also that
Brainlearn 27 is one best, stable engines if using BIN books..I mean
It does not matter how many books are entered in Gauntlet mode etc.

As final conclusion,
Not sure exactly, very likely the programmers will explain better...
But I think that current strange behavior (about the 3 engines, which
Can't use bin book via 11 players) can be said as Engine bin book bug!
Because if this was as Cutechess GUI bug, then in all other rest engines
Would be appeared this unusual book bug issue...or simply I can say that,
The mentioned 3 engines suffer under these cond...no more.. no less!

Anyhow...soon as possible another new tour coming..
And meantime, I hope to pick more stable engines

Best,
Sedat

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Apr 09, 2024 3:45 pm

Hello there )

Well, this time I have good news,
I start organizing another new CS!

Note that
Current tour will contain two Leagues: Second and Super League,
Where all entries will be played vs Balsa Wins (in 2nd League)
Any Book, which will gain +10 Elo points better (than Balsa..)
Will be qualified Player into planning new Super League tour!

And to be more clear
All books will be played by BrainLearn 27, compiled by Orgz!
For less draws.. Bullet TC (30s+0.6s) used in Second League,
Btw, Balsa Wins is based on wins, played by Balsa series...
Futures small size and its deep opening lines are not tuned
For anyone missed, why Balsa ? to stress the latest books
With more various openings...only TREND is not enough..
Plus in this way, the played results can be used as good
Indicator about which are better in overall openings!

And here are the 1st played results of 2nd League tour,
Interesting... e.g so far Balsa is leading (over DON...)
Sure in my guess, DON book has small chances to qualify..
Anyhow, let's see what will be standings after 1000 games

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Score of DON 210324 vs Balsa Wins: 4 - 7 - 490 [0.497]
...      DON 210324 playing White: 4 - 3 - 241  [0.502] 248
...      DON 210324 playing Black: 0 - 4 - 249  [0.492] 253
...      White vs Black: 8 - 3 - 490  [0.505] 501
Elo difference: -2.1 +/- 4.5, LOS: 18.3 %, DrawRatio: 97.8 %
SPRT: llr 0 (0.0%), lbound -inf, ubound inf
501 of 1000 games finished.
And please stay tuned,
Very soon more info, entries coming!

Good luck to all )


Best,
Sedat

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:42 pm

Breaking News - 09.04.2024:
For anyone missed, another exciting book championship started..
In short, it will be based on two Leagues: Second + Super league
Any book with +3800 Elo points will be qualified in Super League!
Be aware of that book registrations are acceptable: once per week
In case of interest.. will be my pleasure to test your updated book!
Some were not so lucky...e.g DON, C by Cevdet.. are one of them,
Where TURKEY, OPTIMUS, HCAN etc performed very very good!
Sure we are just in beginning..let's see what will be next standings

Second League Champion: TURKEY - Congrats to Goktuk Goker!

For Latest Standings of 2nd League:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-29


Greetings

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:05 am

Breaking News - 12.04.2024:
Well, another BIG update 12 books are entered....where many of
Them are quite different and interesting books..anyhow only one
Qualified DON Hercules for anyone missed it's my work, tuned to
Prefer older DON series,it's lines are based on many months ago..
DON Hercules's lines are as quality wine, with time getting better!
Other entry is my Perfect 2024 .almost all lines are up to 8 moves
Sure it's impossible a book which prefers various short lines and in
Same time to gain highest points vs current players..anyhow, I'm
Satisfied..if nothing else not so weak..Btw, in our opening theory.,
Some are used to say advantages openings, some balanced or
Unbalanced..but situation is not complicated as it looks, in short
There are weak and strong openings, right ? if still not so clear
Champions books are balanced books?) And all these sayings
Such as unbalanced are started to be used mainly since NNUE,
Before mostly used to say as own, neutral, strong, weak.. books
What forced to many that theirs mentality is changed so much ?
In other words, is it hard to announce weak, bad etc openings ?
A few words about TURKEY, it's one of strongest that ever seen!
As same words are going for OPTIMUS..besides public plus free!
HCAN book is another master of piece..proved many many times...
One thing more, the old-dated Solista X performed good as well...
But it seems was really not so lucky..very close, but not enough..
Be aware too Qualified authors books are free to update theirs
Books in Super League..sure just in case..will be directly in Super
League, but if different in opening styles..then they will be started
From 2nd League.. Ok..that's all for now.. thanks for your interest )

Second League's Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-29


Best,
Sedat

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Re: SedatChess

Post by Cengiz-Baba » Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:18 pm

Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:05 am
Breaking News - 12.04.2024:
Well, another BIG update 12 books are entered....where many of
Them are quite different and interesting books..anyhow only one
Qualified DON Hercules for anyone missed it's my work, tuned to
Prefer older DON series,it's lines are based on many months ago..
DON Hercules's lines are as quality wine, with time getting better!
Other entry is my Perfect 2024 .almost all lines are up to 8 moves
Sure it's impossible a book which prefers various short lines and in
Same time to gain highest points vs current players..anyhow, I'm
Satisfied..if nothing else not so weak..Btw, in our opening theory.,
Some are used to say advantages openings, some balanced or
Unbalanced..but situation is not complicated as it looks, in short
There are weak and strong openings, right ? if still not so clear
Champions books are balanced books?) And all these sayings
Such as unbalanced are started to be used mainly since NNUE,
Before mostly used to say as own, neutral, strong, weak.. books
What forced to many that theirs mentality is changed so much ?
In other words, is it hard to announce weak, bad etc openings ?
A few words about TURKEY, it's one of strongest that ever seen!
As same words are going for OPTIMUS..besides public plus free!
HCAN book is another master of piece..proved many many times...

One thing more, the old-dated Solista X performed good as well...
But it seems was really not so lucky..very close, but not enough..
Be aware too Qualified authors books are free to update theirs
Books in Super League..sure just in case..will be directly in Super
League, but if different in opening styles..then they will be started
From 2nd League.. Ok..that's all for now.. thanks for your interest )

Second League's Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-29


Best,
Sedat
Another marvellous piece of work. Thank you Sedat.

Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:48 am

Cengiz-Baba wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:18 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:05 am
Breaking News - 12.04.2024:
Well, another BIG update 12 books are entered....where many of
Them are quite different and interesting books..anyhow only one
Qualified DON Hercules for anyone missed it's my work, tuned to
Prefer older DON series,it's lines are based on many months ago..
DON Hercules's lines are as quality wine, with time getting better!
Other entry is my Perfect 2024 .almost all lines are up to 8 moves
Sure it's impossible a book which prefers various short lines and in
Same time to gain highest points vs current players..anyhow, I'm
Satisfied..if nothing else not so weak..Btw, in our opening theory.,
Some are used to say advantages openings, some balanced or
Unbalanced..but situation is not complicated as it looks, in short
There are weak and strong openings, right ? if still not so clear
Champions books are balanced books?) And all these sayings
Such as unbalanced are started to be used mainly since NNUE,
Before mostly used to say as own, neutral, strong, weak.. books
What forced to many that theirs mentality is changed so much ?
In other words, is it hard to announce weak, bad etc openings ?
A few words about TURKEY, it's one of strongest that ever seen!
As same words are going for OPTIMUS..besides public plus free!
HCAN book is another master of piece..proved many many times...

One thing more, the old-dated Solista X performed good as well...
But it seems was really not so lucky..very close, but not enough..
Be aware too Qualified authors books are free to update theirs
Books in Super League..sure just in case..will be directly in Super
League, but if different in opening styles..then they will be started
From 2nd League.. Ok..that's all for now.. thanks for your interest )

Second League's Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-29


Best,
Sedat
Another marvellous piece of work. Thank you Sedat.
Dear Fringe,

Not at all... and many thanks for your kind words!

Btw, you may notice or not,
I included the same FRINGE407 vers (played recently vs ProteusSFX)
And FRINGE407 book's openings are performed not so bad as well...
Sure, if you have any other new book.. will be my pleasure to test!

Greetings )

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