SedatChess

[Sedat Canbaz]

Here, Sedat said : "As experience file will be used StockfishMZ.exp, Which is based on Eman's learned data, released on 22.05.2022, close to 325 MB in size (uncompressed)"

But even on 13.07.2022 (so 2 months later), my Depth4_130722.exp only weighed 317 MB. Furthermore, Sedat intentionally misled the StockfishMZ engine with data from other engine and renamed exp files like did poor saboters.

That's who Sedat is, that's his behavior, that's his incompetence in the experience files, that's his ignorance in the learning engines.

Hey man,
This is not a world championship..take it easy please...

Anyhow, once more I will try to explain,
In those days, even nowadays... as far as I know, there is no
Available Huge Experience file to be based especially on StockfishMZ, right ?
So.. I picked simply for the Duel Exp vs Book match:
Eman's exp but I realized that just to be played by Stockfish MZ engine!
And as reason why not Eman engine is used for the Duel is that,
Eman engine was crashing on my previous hardware system (2x E5-2686)

And I wonder,
Where is my ignorance or saboteur here ?

Btw, via concurrent option: 64:
Even the current Eman 8.91 crashed on my newest system (2x 7B12)
So.. Eman is use to play wa concurrent: 32
That means...Eman is not so stable with so many parallel matches...

Do you know what kind of problem you have? a little hint:
If you are a looser...try to learn from your mistakes..!
But next time...just do not blame...because,
You are becoming too much ridiculous ))

And one thing more,
Sure...if you have any newer exp file..just let me know
I may organize another new Duel...if not please...

Hope helps...

[deeds]

If I had to bet on the true origin of the Eman.exp file renamed by Sedat to StockfishMZ.exp, I would choose the old experience file shared by Khalid at InfinityChess who had kindly accepted an user's request.

Khalid's Eman.exp @ 316 MB on 21.01.22 :


From 316 MB on 21.01.22 to 325 MB on 22.05.2022, there is a logic.
But it's still very serious how Sedat wanted to alter the performance of MZ's engine and wanted to anonymize Khalid's work by renaming his file.

As all my friends/customers already know, my first Eman.exp file available for sale is on 18.04.23 (Depth4_180423.exp, 468 MB).
As Sarona confirmed, I never sent him a copy of any of my experience files.
As I have already announced several times, I only sent a copy of my HypnoS.Exp file to MZ in December 2022.

Sedat never had my Eman.exp files nor any of my other experience files.

Bad pick !

[IbaiBuR]

...
Btw, instead of Brainlearn 25, I picked older vers, the reason: Brainlearn 25
Generated no any exp file, I mean via Seld-Q-Learning enabled, where with
Same settings, Brainlearn 24 is worked flawlessly (experience is created...)
Plus as older version, I used LittleBeast 2, due to it seems slightly stronger...
...

Just a simple question. Why do you use the Self-Q-Learning option enabled with BrainLearn to play a match against other engines? This, actually, makes no sense. Just to let you know, the QLearning is a Reinforcement Learning based algorithm which is mainly optimized for selfplay. So, it is normal that BrainLearn's performance is weird since you are using it incorrectly...

Btw, via concurrent option: 64:
Even the current Eman 8.91 crashed on my newest system (2x 7B12)
So.. Eman is use to play wa concurrent: 32
That means...Eman is not so stable with so many parallel matches...

Eman is actually not designed to be used with parallel matches, thats why it crashed basically, probably even the experience file got corrupted...

[Sedat Canbaz]

If I had to bet on the true origin of the Eman.exp file renamed by Sedat to StockfishMZ.exp, I would choose the old experience file shared by Khalid at InfinityChess who had kindly accepted an user's request.

Khalid's Eman.exp @ 316 MB on 21.01.22 :


From 316 MB on 21.01.22 to 325 MB on 22.05.2022, there is a logic.
But it's still very serious how Sedat wanted to alter the performance of MZ's engine and wanted to anonymize Khalid's work by renaming his file.

As all my friends/customers already know, my first Eman.exp file available for sale is on 18.04.23 (Depth4_180423.exp, 468 MB).
As Sarona confirmed, I never sent him a copy of any of my experience files.
As I have already announced several times, I only sent a copy of my HypnoS.Exp file to MZ in December 2022.

Sedat never had my Eman.exp files nor any of my other experience files.

Bad pick !

Too many comments by you...but no any solution...because,
What you are trying to tell me...now is too late..match is over!
Where in 1st Duel, the Experience lost..even in 2nd Duel same result
Proteus EXP lost...just only in the 3rd Duel, RaptoRa exp won...

On other hand,
Actually the situation is not so complicated as it looks )

E.g the simplest and easiest away is that,
If you believe that your Experience file is stronger than Books,
Please send/share your Exp file... and then let's party to begin...!)

Otherwise, .
This way is going to nowhere!

[Sedat Canbaz]

Just a simple question. Why do you use the Self-Q-Learning option enabled with BrainLearn to play a match against other engines? This, actually, makes no sense. Just to let you know, the QLearning is a Reinforcement Learning based algorithm which is mainly optimized for selfplay. So, it is normal that BrainLearn's performance is weird since you are using it incorrectly...

The reason,
BrainLearn v24 (with SQL enabled) is generated Experience file
Otherwise, (when BrainLearn engine with default settings),
No any Experience file (during or after game-play) recorded, at least on my machine!
Maybe the Experience file is located in other folder? I mean when default settings...
I do not think so that to be located in other folder....but maybe I am missing something?
Plus, do you know about what is the right setting for Brainlearn (about Learning On)?
Thanks in advance

Eman is actually not designed to be used with parallel matches, thats why it crashed basically, probably even the experience file got corrupted...

Really ? anyhow, I do not believe that that Eman exp file is got corrupted...
If it was corrupted..then I hardly doubt that Eman to win the recent tour + Duel..

And I hope also that, sure in the next releases,
Eman will be optimized for parallel matches too...
Because so far
All other rest Top SF based engines are stable with concurrent: 64
Because the stability is the most important part...at least for my side!

[IbaiBuR]

The reason,
BrainLearn v24 (with SQL enabled) is generated Experience file
Otherwise, (when BrainLearn engine with default settings),
No any Experience file (during or after game-play) recorded, at least on my machine!
Maybe the Experience file is located in other folder? I do not think so..but maybe you know ?
Plus, do you know about what is the right setting for Brainlearn (about learning on)?

For BrainLearn, learning is enabled by default, so, you dont need to enable Self-Q-Learning for an experience file to be generated, leave QLearning to false if you are not going to train BrainLearn against itself. Also if you are running concurrent matches you should activate the Concurrent Experience uci option too so the engine creates several experience files (1 by instance) which you can merge lately

To merge them just rename them to:
experience0.bin
experience1.bin
experience2.bin
experiencex.bin (same pattern for more)

And open BrainLearn in the same folder the experience files are located

[Sedat Canbaz]

The reason,
BrainLearn v24 (with SQL enabled) is generated Experience file
Otherwise, (when BrainLearn engine with default settings),
No any Experience file (during or after game-play) recorded, at least on my machine!
Maybe the Experience file is located in other folder? I do not think so..but maybe you know ?
Plus, do you know about what is the right setting for Brainlearn (about learning on)?

For BrainLearn, learning is enabled by default, so, you dont need to enable Self-Q-Learning for an experience file to be generated, leave QLearning to false if you are not going to train BrainLearn against itself. Also if you are running concurrent matches you should activate the Concurrent Experience uci option too so the engine creates several experience files (1 by instance) which you can merge lately

To merge them just rename them to:
experience0.bin
experience1.bin
experience2.bin
experiencex.bin (same pattern for more)

And open BrainLearn in the same folder the experience files are located

Many thanks... I will try later this option...in case of new tour

Probably this is the reason that I run parallel matches,
And no any Experience is generated ( if Brainlearn is with default settings)

[Anton101]

Hi Sedat!

Nice to see you here!

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hi Sedat!

Nice to see you here!

Hello Anton,

Thanks a lot...and nice to see you here as well!

Greetings

[Anton101]

Best regards!