Q vs 2R

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Q vs 2R

Post by BB+ » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:20 am

http://home.comcast.net/~danheisman/Art ... alance.htm

Dzindzi told me that he used to win money by offering large money odds taking queen and eight pawns versus two rooks and eight pawns, all on their home squares. Although two rooks are normally nearly a pawn better than a queen in the absence of any minor pieces, with all pawn on the board (hence no open files), the queen is markedly superior.

Take this position for concreteness: 3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R3K2R w - -
Do most engines judge this as a black advantage, or about equal? Do Monte Carlo roll-outs (or whatever these are called) show the same?

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Re: Q vs 2R

Post by Peter » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:41 am

Hi!
Nice position.
Some engines' outputs on Quad 4x2,5GHz, 1024 Mb hash, after about 1 min. each in descending order from highest to lowest eval as for Black's accounting purposes:


Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

1.g3 e5 2.f3 Df6 3.c3 Ke7 4.b3 Dd6 5.Tf1 Ke6 6.Kd1 f5 7.Kc2
-/+ (-0.73) Tiefe: 16/51 00:01:01 71649kN

Analysis by Deep Fritz 10:

1.h4 d5 2.c3 c5 3.b3 e5 4.Th3 Df6 5.d3 Df4 6.Td1 Kf8 7.a3 b5 8.g3
-/+ (-0.71) Tiefe: 18/34 00:00:56 352mN

Analysis by HIARCS 13.1 MP:

1.f3 e5 2.b3 Dg5 3.g3 d5 4.a4 Dg6 5.Tc1 c5 6.e3 Kd7 7.Ke2 f5 8.d4 Da6+ 9.c4 cxd4 10.exd4 dxc4
=/+ (-0.58) Tiefe: 19/37 00:00:59 120mN

Analysis by Deep Fritz 12:

1.f3 e5 2.c3 Dg5 3.g3 d5 4.Kd1 Dg6 5.d3 Db6 6.Kc2 Df2 7.Tae1 Ke7 8.Kb3 Ke6 9.g4 De3 10.h4
=/+ (-0.56) Tiefe: 21/41 00:00:55 354mN

Analysis by Toga III 1.1.WHM80_w3235:

1.h4 d5 2.h5 Dd7 3.c3 Dg4 4.Kf1 Kd7 5.b3 Df5 6.e3 e5 7.h6 g5 8.Ke2 Dg4+ 9.Kf1 De4 10.Th3 Dd3+ 11.Ke1
=/+ (-0.42) Tiefe: 19/41 00:01:10 275mN

Analysis by Stockfish 1.8 JA:

1.c3 d5 2.f3 Dd6 3.Tb1 Db6 4.g3 e5 5.a3 Ke7 6.e3 e4 7.Kf2 Db3 8.Thc1 Db5 9.Th1 Da4 10.Thd1 Dd7
=/+ (-0.28) Tiefe: 29 00:01:13 243mN

Analysis by Naum 4.2:

1.c3 e5 2.h4 Df6 3.g3 Dc6 4.Tf1 e4 5.Kd1 Db5 6.b4 Df5 7.Kc1 Dh5 8.Kd1 Dg4 9.a4 Ke7 10.c4 Df5 11.Ta3
= (-0.22) Tiefe: 21/38 00:01:12 297mN

Analysis by Critter 0.80 32-bit:

1.g3 e5 2.c3 Df6 3.f3 Dg6 4.Kd1 Ke7 5.b3 e4 6.f4 Dg4 7.b4 d5 8.a4 c6 9.Ke1 Dh3 10.Kf2 Kd6 11.d3 f5
= (-0.16) Tiefe: 22/38 00:01:03 171mN

Analysis by Ivanhoe-BetaWH_32_w32:

1.c3 d5 2.f3 Dd6 3.g3 d4 4.a3 f5 5.Tb1 d3 6.Kf2 Kf7 7.e3 Dd5 8.h4 e5 9.Kg2 e4 10.Tbf1 exf3+ 11.Txf3 Kg6 12.b4 b6 13.h5+
= (-0.14) Tiefe: 23 00:01:05 216mN

Analysis by IvanHoe 9.52b w32:

1.c3 d5 2.f3 Dd6 3.g3 f5 4.Tb1 Db6 5.b3 Kf7 6.Tc1 c5 7.c4 Da6 8.cxd5 Dxa2 9.Tf1 b6 10.Tc3 Db2 11.e4 a5 12.exf5 Db1+ 13.Kf2 Dxf5
= (-0.12) Tiefe: 22 00:01:07 218mN

Analysis by FireBird 1.1 w32DD: (Dr.Deeb's setting)

1.c3 d5 2.f3 Dd6 3.b3 e5 4.Kf2 e4 5.e3 Da3 6.Thb1 Da6 7.b4 Dd3 8.Tb2 Kd7 9.a4 Ke6 10.b5 g5 11.Tg1 f5
= (-0.12) Tiefe: 22 00:00:55 175mN, tb=13

Analysis by Deep Rybka 4 w32:

1.c3 d5 2.f3 d4 3.a3 Dd6 4.Tb1 f6 5.Kf2 Kf7 6.g3 Dd5 7.b4 Dc4 8.Tbc1 d3
= (-0.11) Tiefe: 19 00:01:01 7868kN

Analysis by Ivanhoe-B57cx32SSE3:

1.c3 e5 2.f3 d5 3.g3 d4 4.a3 Dd6 5.Tb1 d3 6.e3 Dd5 7.Tf1 Kd7 8.Kf2 f5 9.Kg2 e4 10.fxe4 Dxe4+ 11.Kg1 g5 12.b4 b6
= (-0.11) Tiefe: 22 00:00:54 180mN, tb=19

Analysis by Deep Junior 11.2 (Win32) UCI:

1.f3 e5 2.b3 Dg5 3.g3 d5 4.c3 h5 5.Kd1 Dg6 6.d3 f5 7.a4 d4 8.cxd4 exd4 9.Kd2 Dc6
= (-0.10) Tiefe: 19 00:00:44 227mN
1.f3 e5 2.b3 Dg5 3.g3 d5 4.c4 e4 5.Tc1 De5 6.fxe4 Db2 7.Kf2 Dd4+ 8.e3 Dxd2+ 9.Kf3 dxc4 10.Txc4
= (-0.07) Tiefe: 20 00:01:57 602mN

Analysis by Houdini 1.03 w32 4_CPU:

1.c3 d5 2.h4 f6 3.h5 d4 4.f3 Kf7 5.Tb1 Dd6 6.cxd4 Dxd4 7.b3 c5 8.e3 Dd3 9.Tc1 Dd6 10.h6 g5 11.Tc4 b5
= (-0.06) Tiefe: 21/42 00:00:36 117mN
1.c3 d5 2.f3 Dd6 3.b3 e5 4.Kf2 e4 5.e3 Da3 6.Thb1 Da6 7.b4 Dd3 8.Tb2 Kd7 9.a4 g5 10.Tg1 f5
= (-0.07) Tiefe: 22/51 00:01:57 376mN

Analysis by spark-0.4:

1.c3 d5 2.b3 d4 3.c4 e5 4.h4 Dd6 5.f3 e4 6.Kf2 c5 7.Tad1 De5 8.e3 dxe3+ 9.Kxe3 Dd4+ 10.Ke2 Kd7 11.fxe4 Dxe4+ 12.Kf2 Df4+ 13.Ke2 Dg4+ 14.Kf2
= (-0.12) Tiefe: 21/39 00:00:42 189mN
1.f3 d5 2.b3 Dd6 3.c3 e5 4.e3 d4 5.cxd4 exd4 6.Kf2 dxe3+ 7.dxe3 Dd2+ 8.Kg3 Da5 9.h3 c6 10.Thd1 De5+ 11.Kf2 Db2+ 12.Kg3 De5+
= (0.00) Tiefe: 21/39 00:01:24 378mN

Analysis by Deep Shredder 12 UCI:

1.h4 d5 2.b4 Dd6 3.c3 Dg6 4.g3 Dc2 5.e3 De4 6.Tg1 Kd7 7.a4 Dd3 8.h5 e5 9.a5 Ke6 10.f4 e4 11.g4 g6 12.hxg6
= (0.05) Tiefe: 18/41 00:01:07 130mN

Then I choose R4 and Zappa Mex.2 for two games against each other from the position in question. These two because they are considered measurably different in strength as for Elo points and evaluate the position rather differently in analysis output.
Again on the same Quad with 512 Mb hash each, 60/60, rest in 30 min., ponder off.

[Event "PCWINXP, 40'/40+20'/20+30'"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2010.08.07"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Deep Rybka 4 w32"]
[Black "Zappa Mexico II"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "-0.10;-0.76"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R3K2R w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "250"]
[TimeControl "40/2400:20/1200:1800"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2392 MHz W=23.2 plies; 166kN/
s; 597.654 TBAs B=18.0 plies; 1.623kN/s; 783.622 TBAs} 1. c3 {[%eval -10,19]
[%emt 0:01:15] Beide letzter Buchzug} e5 {[%eval -76,18] [%emt 0:03:25]} 2. f3
{[%eval -12,20] [%emt 0:02:18]} Qg5 {[%eval -79,19] [%emt 0:02:16]} 3. g3 {
[%eval -12,21] [%emt 0:00:38]} Qg6 {[%eval -78,19] [%emt 0:02:11]} 4. Kd1 {
[%eval -6,20] [%emt 0:00:46] (b3)} e4 {[%eval -77,19] [%emt 0:02:40]} 5. fxe4 {
[%eval -6,20] [%emt 0:01:24]} Qxe4 {[%eval -76,19] [%emt 0:02:10]} 6. Rg1 {
[%eval -12,20] [%emt 0:00:34]} Qf5 {[%eval -66,18] [%emt 0:01:52] (d5)} 7. h4 {
[%eval -8,21] [%emt 0:03:52]} Qe4 {[%eval -63,17] [%emt 0:02:07] (d5)} 8. d3 {
[%eval 15,20] [%emt 0:01:47]} Qe3 {[%eval -61,18] [%emt 0:01:39]} 9. Rg2 {
[%eval 19,20] [%emt 0:00:16]} Ke7 {[%eval -49,18] [%emt 0:02:08] (De6)} 10. Kc2
{[%eval 24,20] [%emt 0:01:26]} Qe5 {[%eval -49,17] [%emt 0:01:27] (f6)} 11. g4
{[%eval 27,18] [%emt 0:00:54] (e4)} Qf4 {[%eval -66,15] [%emt 0:00:57]} 12. Rh1
{[%eval 27,18] [%emt 0:00:28] (h5)} Qa4+ {[%eval -64,14] [%emt 0:00:51] (b5)}
13. Kb1 {[%eval 28,18] [%emt 0:00:14]} Qf4 {[%eval -62,16] [%emt 0:01:15]} 14.
g5 {[%eval 30,18] [%emt 0:00:54] (Kc2)} c5 {[%eval -61,15] [%emt 0:00:30] (d5)}
15. h5 {[%eval 25,18] [%emt 0:00:44] (Kc2)} d5 {[%eval -62,15] [%emt 0:00:30]
(Kd8)} 16. h6 {[%eval 25,16] [%emt 0:00:48] (Kc2)} g6 {[%eval -56,16] [%emt 0:
00:59]} 17. Rd1 {[%eval 26,17] [%emt 0:00:38] (Kc2)} f6 {[%eval -77,15] [%emt
0:00:34] (a5)} 18. e3 {[%eval 13,18] [%emt 0:00:59] (gxf6+)} Qf3 {[%eval -96,
16] [%emt 0:00:44] (Dxe3)} 19. gxf6+ {[%eval 30,16] [%emt 0:00:10]} Kxf6 {
[%eval -96,17] [%emt 0:00:42]} 20. Rdd2 {[%eval 23,17] [%emt 0:00:27] (Tgg1)}
Ke6 {[%eval -89,16] [%emt 0:00:38]} 21. a3 {[%eval 23,18] [%emt 0:00:32]} c4 {
[%eval -70,16] [%emt 0:02:10] (b5)} 22. dxc4 {[%eval 26,19] [%emt 0:00:41] (d4)
} Qe4+ {[%eval -62,16] [%emt 0:00:48] (Df1+)} 23. Ka1 {[%eval 50,21] [%emt 0:
01:16]} Qxc4 {[%eval -40,17] [%emt 0:00:43]} 24. Rd1 {[%eval 50,22] [%emt 0:00:
57]} a5 {[%eval -31,16] [%emt 0:00:17] (Dh4)} 25. Rg5 {[%eval 67,19] [%emt 0:
00:33] (Tgd2)} a4 {[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:22] (b5)} 26. Rd4 {[%eval 98,17]
[%emt 0:00:24]} Qf1+ {[%eval 17,18] [%emt 0:00:48]} 27. Ka2 {[%eval 98,18]
[%emt 0:00:06]} Qh1 {[%eval 17,18] [%emt 0:00:26]} 28. Rxa4 {[%eval 95,19]
[%emt 0:00:38] (Tb4)} Qxh6 {[%eval 5,16] [%emt 0:00:44]} 29. Rag4 {[%eval 95,
20] [%emt 0:00:24]} Kd6 {[%eval 10,16] [%emt 0:00:15]} 30. a4 {[%eval 94,21]
[%emt 0:00:38] (Kb3)} Kc7 {[%eval 12,15] [%emt 0:00:20] (b6)} 31. Re5 {[%eval
113,19] [%emt 0:00:42] (a5)} Kd6 {[%eval 18,15] [%emt 0:00:15]} 32. Re8 {
[%eval 113,19] [%emt 0:00:24]} Kd7 {[%eval 35,15] [%emt 0:00:15] (Dg7)} 33. Rb8
{[%eval 168,18] [%emt 0:01:13] (Tg8)} Kc7 {[%eval 63,16] [%emt 0:00:30]} 34.
Rg8 {[%eval 168,19] [%emt 0:00:22]} Qxe3 {[%eval 61,16] [%emt 0:00:25] (b6)}
35. Rg7+ {[%eval 180,18] [%emt 0:00:24]} Kc6 {[%eval 61,17] [%emt 0:00:24]} 36.
Rxh7 {[%eval 189,21] [%emt 0:01:07]} Qe6 {[%eval 61,16] [%emt 0:00:00]} 37. Rd4
{[%eval 189,22] [%emt 0:00:31]} Qg8 {[%eval 61,16] [%emt 0:00:22] (b6)} 38. Rh2
{[%eval 194,24] [%emt 0:02:24] (Th3)} g5 {[%eval 61,16] [%emt 0:00:14] (b6)}
39. Rh6+ {[%eval 194,23] [%emt 0:01:17] (Th3)} Kc7 {[%eval 61,17] [%emt 0:00:
17]} 40. Rh3 {[%eval 194,25] [%emt 0:02:27] (Kb3)} Qf7 {[%eval 61,15] [%emt 0:
00:16] (Dg7)} 41. Rg3 {[%eval 194,24] [%emt 0:00:50] (Kb3)} Qf6 {[%eval 62,18]
[%emt 0:01:40]} 42. Rgg4 {[%eval 194,24] [%emt 0:01:06] (Tg2)} Qf5 {[%eval 62,
20] [%emt 0:01:37]} 43. Rg2 {[%eval 194,23] [%emt 0:00:39]} Qf6 {[%eval 62,19]
[%emt 0:01:25] (De5)} 44. b3 {[%eval 195,22] [%emt 0:01:15] (Tb4)} Qf3 {[%eval
60,19] [%emt 0:01:02] (Df5)} 45. Rxg5 {[%eval 209,21] [%emt 0:00:14]} Qxc3 {
[%eval 60,19] [%emt 0:00:51]} 46. Rgxd5 {[%eval 209,22] [%emt 0:00:08]} Kb6 {
[%eval 60,20] [%emt 0:00:49]} 47. Rd6+ {[%eval 210,24] [%emt 0:00:37] (a5+)}
Ka7 {[%eval 60,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} 48. a5 {[%eval 210,26] [%emt 0:00:55]} Qc1 {
[%eval 60,21] [%emt 0:00:55] (Kb8)} 49. R4d5 {[%eval 210,27] [%emt 0:01:30]
(T6d5)} Qc3 {[%eval 60,22] [%emt 0:00:50]} 50. Ka3 {[%eval 210,28] [%emt 0:00:
54] (Td4)} Qc2 {[%eval 60,21] [%emt 0:01:05] (Da1+)} 51. Rd1 {[%eval 210,27]
[%emt 0:01:08] (Td3)} Qc5+ {[%eval 60,21] [%emt 0:00:57] (Dc3)} 52. Kb2 {
[%eval 210,28] [%emt 0:01:16] (Ka4)} Qe5+ {[%eval 60,21] [%emt 0:00:53] (Df2+)}
53. R6d4 {[%eval 210,28] [%emt 0:01:06] (T1d4)} Kb8 {[%eval 55,20] [%emt 0:01:
21] (De2+)} 54. b4 {[%eval 210,28] [%emt 0:00:27]} Qe2+ {[%eval 54,20] [%emt 0:
00:42] (Ka7)} 55. Ka3 {[%eval 210,27] [%emt 0:01:59] (T1d2)} Qc2 {[%eval 50,20]
[%emt 0:00:52]} 56. Rd8+ {[%eval 210,27] [%emt 0:00:42]} Ka7 {[%eval 50,19]
[%emt 0:00:00]} 57. R1d2 {[%eval 210,29] [%emt 0:01:30] (T8d3)} Qc3+ {[%eval
46,20] [%emt 0:01:01] (Dc1+)} 58. Ka4 {[%eval 210,30] [%emt 0:00:39]} Qa1+ {
[%eval 43,20] [%emt 0:01:11]} 59. Kb5 {[%eval 210,29] [%emt 0:01:19] (Kb3)}
Qf1+ {[%eval 43,20] [%emt 0:00:49] (De5+)} 60. R8d3 {[%eval 210,29] [%emt 0:01:
53]} Qc1 {[%eval 43,20] [%emt 0:00:50] (Df5+)} 61. Rd6 {[%eval 210,23] [%emt 0:
00:33]} Qf1+ {[%eval 42,20] [%emt 0:00:38]} 62. R2d3 {[%eval 210,28] [%emt 0:
00:45] (Ka4)} Qe2 {[%eval 24,18] [%emt 0:00:41] (De1)} 63. Ka4 {[%eval 210,25]
[%emt 0:00:42] (a6)} Qa2+ {[%eval 24,20] [%emt 0:00:52]} 64. Ra3 {[%eval 0,26]
[%emt 0:00:52] (Kb5)} Qc2+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:31]} 65. Kb5 {[%eval 0,27]
[%emt 0:01:00] (Tb3)} Qf5+ {[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:40] (De4)} 66. Kc4 {[%eval
0,25] [%emt 0:01:03]} Qe4+ {[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:26]} 67. Rd4 {[%eval 0,26]
[%emt 0:00:45] (Kb3)} Qe6+ {[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:48]} 68. Kc3 {[%eval 0,26]
[%emt 0:01:04] (Td5)} Qe5 {[%eval 18,17] [%emt 0:00:51] (De1+)} 69. Ra2 {
[%eval 128,21] [%emt 0:00:21] (Tb3)} Qc7+ {[%eval 32,17] [%emt 0:01:06]} 70.
Kb3 {[%eval 128,22] [%emt 0:00:59]} Qf7+ {[%eval 32,18] [%emt 0:00:25]} 71. Ka3
{[%eval 92,23] [%emt 0:00:41]} Qf3+ {[%eval 29,19] [%emt 0:00:49]} 72. Ka4 {
[%eval 84,23] [%emt 0:00:04]} Qc6+ {[%eval 28,19] [%emt 0:01:04]} 73. b5 {
[%eval 84,23] [%emt 0:00:14]} Qc5 {[%eval 28,19] [%emt 0:00:29]} 74. Rb4 {
[%eval 83,23] [%emt 0:00:42]} Qc1 {[%eval 28,18] [%emt 0:00:34]} 75. Rab2 {
[%eval 70,23] [%emt 0:00:31] (Td4)} Kb8 {[%eval 16,17] [%emt 0:00:42]} 76. Kb3
{[%eval 69,23] [%emt 0:01:11]} Qd1+ {[%eval 3,17] [%emt 0:00:53]} 77. Kc4 {
[%eval 55,21] [%emt 0:01:15] (Ka2)} Qf1+ {[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:38] (Dc1+)}
78. Kd5 {[%eval 55,22] [%emt 0:00:41]} Qf5+ {[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:00:37]} 79.
Kd4 {[%eval 55,23] [%emt 0:00:16] (Kd6)} Qf4+ {[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:00:20]
(Dd7+)} 80. Kd3 {[%eval 55,24] [%emt 0:00:57] (Kd5)} Qf3+ {[%eval 0,16] [%emt
0:00:24]} 81. Kd2 {[%eval 55,24] [%emt 0:00:45] (Kd4)} Qg2+ {[%eval 0,17]
[%emt 0:00:24] (Df2+)} 82. Kc3 {[%eval 55,24] [%emt 0:01:11] (Kd3)} Qf3+ {
[%eval 3,17] [%emt 0:00:19]} 83. Kc2 {[%eval 55,24] [%emt 0:00:13]} Qe2+ {
[%eval 3,18] [%emt 0:00:36] (Da3)} 84. Kb1 {[%eval 50,23] [%emt 0:00:15]} Qd1+
{[%eval 3,18] [%emt 0:00:22] (De1+)} 85. Ka2 {[%eval 55,8] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qd8
{[%eval 2,18] [%emt 0:00:30]} 86. b6 {[%eval 55,22] [%emt 0:00:26]} Qd5+ {
[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:18]} 87. R2b3 {[%eval 55,25] [%emt 0:00:17]} Qxa5+ {
[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:38]} 88. Kb2 {[%eval 55,26] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qc5 {
[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:32]} 89. Re4 {[%eval 55,24] [%emt 0:00:10]} Qf2+ {
[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:28]} 90. Kc1 {[%eval 39,25] [%emt 0:00:18] (Kc3)} Qc5+
{[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:17] (Dg1+)} 91. Kb1 {[%eval 39,25] [%emt 0:00:51]
(Kd2)} Qf5 {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:16] (Dg1+)} 92. Rbb4 {[%eval 54,23] [%emt
0:00:25]} Qf1+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:15] (Kc8)} 93. Kb2 {[%eval 56,26]
[%emt 0:00:25] (Ka2)} Qf6+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:20] (Df2+)} 94. Red4 {
[%eval 56,27] [%emt 0:00:26]} Qf2+ {[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:13]} 95. Kb3 {
[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:38]} Qf3+ {[%eval 0,21] [%emt 0:00:15]} 96. Ka4 {
[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:28] (Kb2)} Qc6+ {[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:34]} 97. Ka3
{[%eval 56,29] [%emt 0:00:26] (Tb5)} Qf3+ {[%eval 0,21] [%emt 0:00:12]} 98. Ka2
{[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:25] (Tb3)} Qf8 {[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:25] (Df6)}
99. Rd5 {[%eval 56,26] [%emt 0:00:22] (Tbc4)} Qf2+ {[%eval 0,21] [%emt 0:00:14]
} 100. Rb2 {[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:22]} Qh4 {[%eval 0,21] [%emt 0:00:16]
(Df6)} 101. Rbb5 {[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:30] (Tb4)} Qf2+ {[%eval 0,20] [%emt
0:00:14] (Dc4+)} 102. Ka3 {[%eval 56,29] [%emt 0:00:32]} Qf3+ {[%eval 0,21]
[%emt 0:00:19] (De3+)} 103. Kb4 {[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:20] (Ka2)} Qe4+ {
[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:11]} 104. Kc3 {[%eval 56,28] [%emt 0:00:12] (Kc5)} Qf3+
{[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:12] (De3+)} 105. Kc4 {[%eval 56,29] [%emt 0:00:48]
(Td3)} Qe2+ {[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:19] (Df4+)} 106. Kd4 {[%eval 56,28] [%emt
0:00:24] (Td3)} Qf2+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:11] (Dd2+)} 107. Ke4 {[%eval 56,
28] [%emt 0:00:28] (Ke5)} Qc2+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:15] (De1+)} 108. Kf3 {
[%eval 56,26] [%emt 0:00:20] (Td3)} Qc3+ {[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:18]} 109. Kg4
{[%eval 56,25] [%emt 0:00:08] (Ke4)} Qc4+ {[%eval 0,20] [%emt 0:00:18] (Df6)}
110. Kg5 {[%eval 56,27] [%emt 0:00:15] (Kg3)} Qc1+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:23]
} 111. Kg6 {[%eval 56,27] [%emt 0:00:10] (Kf6)} Qc2+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:
09] (Dc6+)} 112. Kg7 {[%eval 56,25] [%emt 0:00:12] (Kf6)} Qg2+ {[%eval 0,19]
[%emt 0:00:22]} 113. Kf7 {[%eval 56,25] [%emt 0:00:07] (Kf6)} Qf1+ {[%eval 0,
20] [%emt 0:00:23] (Df3+)} 114. Rf5 {[%eval 56,25] [%emt 0:00:09] (Ke6)} Qc4+ {
[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:20]} 115. Kf6 {[%eval 56,25] [%emt 0:00:19] (Kf8)} Qc6+
{[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:10]} 116. Kg7 {[%eval 56,24] [%emt 0:00:06] (Ke7)}
Qg2+ {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:10]} 117. Kh7 {[%eval 56,26] [%emt 0:00:10] (Kf6)
} Qe4 {[%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:18] (Dh1+)} 118. Kh6 {[%eval 56,24] [%emt 0:00:
13] (Kg7)} Qe7 {[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:08] (Dh1+)} 119. Kg6 {[%eval 56,22]
[%emt 0:00:07]} Qe8+ {[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:17]} 120. Rf7 {[%eval 56,22]
[%emt 0:00:04]} Qg8+ {[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:06] (De4+)} 121. Kf6 {[%eval 56,
22] [%emt 0:00:03]} Qd8+ {[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:07]} 122. Kg7 {[%eval 56,22]
[%emt 0:00:04] (Ke6)} Qd4+ {[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:10]} 123. Rf6 {[%eval 56,
23] [%emt 0:00:04] (Kf8)} Kc8 {[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:07]} 124. Kg6 {[%eval
56,22] [%emt 0:00:04] (Tbf5)} Kd7 {[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:06] (Dd3+)} 125.
Rbf5 {[%eval 56,22] [%emt 0:00:18]} Qe4 {[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:00:06] adjud.
Remis angenommen} 1/2-1/2

[Event "PCWINXP, 40'/40+20'/20+30'"]
[Site "Dort"]
[Date "2010.08.07"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Zappa Mexico II"]
[Black "Deep Rybka 4 w32"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "-0.80;-0.11"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R3K2R w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "68"]
[TimeControl "40/2400:20/1200:1800"]

{Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 2392 MHz W=17.1 plies; 1.
365kN/s; 4.630 TBAs B=19.5 plies; 145kN/s; 361 TBAs} 1. c3 {[%eval -10,19]
[%emt 0:01:15] Beide letzter Buchzug} e5 {[%eval -11,19] [%emt 0:03:20]} 2. f3
{[%eval -80,17] [%emt 0:00:55] (h4)} Qg5 {[%eval -11,22] [%emt 0:02:28]} 3. g3
{[%eval -76,18] [%emt 0:01:08]} Qg6 {[%eval -9,22] [%emt 0:01:22]} 4. Rc1 {
[%eval -80,18] [%emt 0:01:50] (Kd1)} e4 {[%eval -13,20] [%emt 0:02:22]} 5. Rf1
{[%eval -77,17] [%emt 0:01:06]} exf3 {[%eval -31,18] [%emt 0:00:24] (h5)} 6.
exf3 {[%eval -78,17] [%emt 0:01:18] (Txf3)} Qe6+ {[%eval -46,21] [%emt 0:01:20]
} 7. Kd1 {[%eval -75,18] [%emt 0:01:27]} Qxa2 {[%eval -46,22] [%emt 0:00:33]}
8. Re1+ {[%eval -66,18] [%emt 0:01:26] (Kc2)} Kf8 {[%eval -61,21] [%emt 0:00:
50] (Kd8)} 9. Kc2 {[%eval -60,18] [%emt 0:01:41]} Qa4+ {[%eval -63,21] [%emt 0:
00:46]} 10. Kb1 {[%eval -60,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qb5 {[%eval -66,21] [%emt 0:01:
04] (g6)} 11. Re3 {[%eval -69,18] [%emt 0:00:58]} Qf5+ {[%eval -74,20] [%emt 0:
00:28]} 12. d3 {[%eval -71,18] [%emt 0:02:26] (Tc2)} a5 {[%eval -73,20] [%emt
0:00:52] (g5)} 13. Rce1 {[%eval -87,18] [%emt 0:02:03] (f4)} g6 {[%eval -76,17]
[%emt 0:00:12]} 14. Kc2 {[%eval -93,17] [%emt 0:01:09] (g4)} a4 {[%eval -88,20]
[%emt 0:01:28]} 15. R1e2 {[%eval -106,17] [%emt 0:02:27]} Kg7 {[%eval -100,20]
[%emt 0:00:52] (Db5)} 16. Kd1 {[%eval -107,17] [%emt 0:00:51] (f4)} b5 {[%eval
-124,16] [%emt 0:00:19] (Db5)} 17. Kd2 {[%eval -117,15] [%emt 0:00:43] (Ke1)}
Qf6 {[%eval -134,18] [%emt 0:00:44] (Dd5)} 18. d4 {[%eval -142,16] [%emt 0:01:
35]} b4 {[%eval -134,19] [%emt 0:00:18]} 19. Kc1 {[%eval -142,16] [%emt 0:00:
48]} Qc6 {[%eval -136,18] [%emt 0:00:28]} 20. Kb1 {[%eval -150,17] [%emt 0:00:
45] (Tc2)} Qc4 {[%eval -142,20] [%emt 0:01:11]} 21. cxb4 {[%eval -167,18]
[%emt 0:02:37] (h4)} Qxd4 {[%eval -160,19] [%emt 0:00:27]} 22. Kc2 {[%eval
-177,18] [%emt 0:01:47] (Te1)} Qxb4 {[%eval -164,22] [%emt 0:01:35]} 23. Rc3 {
[%eval -173,17] [%emt 0:00:52]} c6 {[%eval -172,21] [%emt 0:00:40] (d5)} 24.
Re4 {[%eval -177,17] [%emt 0:00:41] (Kb1)} Qb6 {[%eval -185,20] [%emt 0:00:56]}
25. Re2 {[%eval -201,17] [%emt 0:00:48] (Txa4)} d5 {[%eval -227,19] [%emt 0:00:
16]} 26. Rd2 {[%eval -211,17] [%emt 0:00:54] (Ta3)} d4 {[%eval -232,21] [%emt
0:00:29]} 27. Ra3 {[%eval -218,17] [%emt 0:00:35]} Qa7 {[%eval -232,22] [%emt
0:00:59] (Db4)} 28. Rad3 {[%eval -218,16] [%emt 0:01:30]} c5 {[%eval -232,21]
[%emt 0:00:14]} 29. Kc1 {[%eval -249,17] [%emt 0:00:48]} Kf6 {[%eval -239,20]
[%emt 0:00:49] (De7)} 30. Rc2 {[%eval -250,16] [%emt 0:00:40] (Kb1)} Ke6 {
[%eval -322,19] [%emt 0:01:21] (Ke5)} 31. Rcd2 {[%eval -272,16] [%emt 0:00:20]
(Kb1)} Kd5 {[%eval -404,18] [%emt 0:00:38]} 32. f4 {[%eval -451,17] [%emt 0:01:
19]} c4 {[%eval -534,14] [%emt 0:00:12]} 33. Rxd4+ {[%eval -567,16] [%emt 0:00:
24] (Te3)} Qxd4 {[%eval -783,16] [%emt 0:00:07]} 34. Rxd4+ {[%eval -916,18]
[%emt 0:00:32] (g4)} Kxd4 {[%eval -956,15] [%emt 0:00:07]} 0-1

While Zappa can be happy with Remis for Black after a long term white advantage in the middle of the game, R4 wins rather fast with black side, just the other way round as for their eval in analysis output.
Remarkable for me too: first 8 half plies of the two games are identical
regards
Peter.

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