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How controversial is to include others in "controversial"?

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:40 pm
by Von Goom
If in order to be rated by CCRL/IPON/CEGT it´s not an issue for an engine to be "controversial" (a category in CCRL) about its origin, why is an issue to have not a name attached to it? (like the ippo* family) Among computer chess enthusiasts who cares about the author? We are most concerned about good computer chess moves, aren't we?

SkunkButt

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:22 pm
by Sean Evans
Von Goom wrote:If in order to be rated by CCRL/IPON/CEGT it´s not an issue for an engine to be "controversial" (a category in CCRL) about its origin, why is an issue to have not a name attached to it? (like the ippo* family) Among computer chess enthusiasts who cares about the author? We are most concerned about good computer chess moves, aren't we?
Okay, I will download Houdini and change the name to SkunkButt and enter it into CCRL/IPON/CEGT...did the lil light bulb go off inside you lil brain yet?

Re: How controversial is to include others in "controversial

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:05 am
by Adam Hair
Von Goom wrote:If in order to be rated by CCRL/IPON/CEGT it´s not an issue for an engine to be "controversial" (a category in CCRL) about its origin, why is an issue to have not a name attached to it? (like the ippo* family) Among computer chess enthusiasts who cares about the author? We are most concerned about good computer chess moves, aren't we?
You should realize that if all end-users felt and acted that way, the engine authors may tell us to f*** off.

Fortunately, many of us care for more than just what we can get. The people who spend the time and effort creating chess engines also matter to us.

Adam

Re: How controversial is to include others in "controversial

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:50 am
by Von Goom
Adam Hair wrote: The people who spend the time and effort creating chess engines also matter to us.
Thank you, Adam. I've got the message. It's true that I was unfair to engine creators. But, now it raises another issue: an author who firms his/her engine with a nickname is still an author. Why discriminate him/her for having chose to remain in a sort of anonymity?

Re: How controversial is to include others in "controversial

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:38 pm
by Adam Hair
Von Goom wrote:
Adam Hair wrote: The people who spend the time and effort creating chess engines also matter to us.
Thank you, Adam. I've got the message. It's true that I was unfair to engine creators. But, now it raises another issue: an author who firms his/her engine with a nickname is still an author. Why discriminate him/her for having chose to remain in a sort of anonymity?
Von Groom,

From talking to some authors, it seems that they prefer other authors use their real name. Perhaps the thought is that a person who hides their name is capable of hiding other things, such as the truth. If I tested an engine to include on the CCRL lists with an anonymous author (like Ippolit), which by the way I could do, several authors that I respect would get upset. I have no desire to do that. Also, the testing I do is for the authors. I prefer to test only engines with a known author(s).

Adam