OpenChess

http://icga.wikispaces.com/The+Charter

The incredibly harsh penalties were decided before the process began.

Since David Levy worked on Rybka's eval, where is the lifetime ban for David Levy, since the evaluation is identical to fruit and it seems to be the main contention of guilt.

User923005 wrote:http://icga.wikispaces.com/The+Charter

The incredibly harsh penalties were decided before the process began.

Since David Levy worked on Rybka's eval, where is the lifetime ban for David Levy, since the evaluation is identical to fruit and it seems to be the main contention of guilt.

What planet did you come from? David Levy did _not_ work on Rybka. You probably mean GM Larry Kaufman...

The penalties were _not_ decided before the investigation began. We were asked to make recommendations and even the panel was not uniform in what we thought was appropriate...

User923005 wrote:http://icga.wikispaces.com/The+Charter

The incredibly harsh penalties were decided before the process began.

It appears that the maximum penalty was spelled out in the Charter. And that Vas got it. But in no way could it logically follow from that information that it was predetermined that Vas would receive the maximum penalty if found guilty.

jb

Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

User923005 wrote:http://icga.wikispaces.com/The+Charter

The incredibly harsh penalties were decided before the process began.

It appears that the maximum penalty was spelled out in the Charter. And that Vas got it. But in no way could it logically follow from that information that it was predetermined that Vas would receive the maximum penalty if found guilty.

jb

The board took a couple of weeks to decide on the punishment, based on comments by David. After they all read the report, they were unanimous in agreement that Vas had broken the ICGA tournament rules, specifrically rule 2 as already quoted. But they spent a lot of time discussing what penalties to impose. (note, "couple of weeks does not mean exactly 14 days, I am not sure exactly how long they took, as I didn't note the date when we submitted the report to David and the date the penalties were decided on (which was likely not exactly the date the penalties were made public)). We (the panel) were not privy to that internal discussion, so we don't know who wanted to do what, we just waited and watched, like everyone else. I had expected the vacated titles. I expected a demand for return of the trophies. I did not expect the demand for return of prizes won although that was really not surprising as there has been precedent for that in other such things like auto racing and such. I did not expect the life-time ban, although I did expect some period of time that would likely be an effective lifetime ban since it would be hard for someone to go thru this process, get caught so red-handed, publicly admonished for doing so, then banned for a year or two, and then have the fortitude to apply and participate in another event. I don't think I would do so myself. If I were to be caught cheating, that would probably end my participation. Who'd want to go to a tournament where every time you saw two people talking and glancing your way,you'd naturally assume they were talking about you??? How would that be fun?

hyatt wrote:

Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

User923005 wrote:http://icga.wikispaces.com/The+Charter

The incredibly harsh penalties were decided before the process began.

It appears that the maximum penalty was spelled out in the Charter. And that Vas got it. But in no way could it logically follow from that information that it was predetermined that Vas would receive the maximum penalty if found guilty.

jb

The board took a couple of weeks to decide on the punishment, based on comments by David. After they all read the report, they were unanimous in agreement that Vas had broken the ICGA tournament rules, specifrically rule 2 as already quoted. But they spent a lot of time discussing what penalties to impose. (note, "couple of weeks does not mean exactly 14 days, I am not sure exactly how long they took, as I didn't note the date when we submitted the report to David and the date the penalties were decided on (which was likely not exactly the date the penalties were made public)). We (the panel) were not privy to that internal discussion, so we don't know who wanted to do what, we just waited and watched, like everyone else. I had expected the vacated titles. I expected a demand for return of the trophies. I did not expect the demand for return of prizes won although that was really not surprising as there has been precedent for that in other such things like auto racing and such. I did not expect the life-time ban, although I did expect some period of time that would likely be an effective lifetime ban since it would be hard for someone to go thru this process, get caught so red-handed, publicly admonished for doing so, then banned for a year or two, and then have the fortitude to apply and participate in another event. I don't think I would do so myself. If I were to be caught cheating, that would probably end my participation. Who'd want to go to a tournament where every time you saw two people talking and glancing your way,you'd naturally assume they were talking about you??? How would that be fun?

Hell, you must just float from forum latida to forum latada with all of your lies

please cite one lie in the above. Just one will do. But you have to offer proof, not just "because you said so." Or you can ask David directly to see if my account is accurate. Or you can shut up and go away. Any of the above works for me, just fine...