when a daily tester lies to people...

[Sedat Canbaz]

The world is full of people like that, I prefer to be a miles away of that people.

+1

Meanwhile, here is another well-known proverb:
Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are!

And I will tell you another story, but not as proverb,
Based on my own experience (in my real life)

There was a guy, who often preferred to say lies..
You know, these kind of BRAINS know everything..
If you listen them, they are best of the best etc.

And once the same liar guy, he said such as:
My wife is dead...

And frankly,
I did not believe to him...I thought that
He is again lying...even after so many years:
I'm still not sure about his wife is dead or not..

And without to not mention this I can't as well,
The current funny movie story is nothing new...
Only as main difference, the artists are changed...
For anyone missed, when I started my 1st books tours
I think that during 2007-2008 years, unfortunately
There were similar such BIG attacks over Me...
Some chess friends may remember e.g Harry Schnapp,
He used 12 fake accounts to harass my name, my books..
For What? just because I've started testing opening books!
He was afraid that via SCCT, his books are not best of best!
And this Harry underestimated, tried to damage my name etc.
And in same time what happened,
I went to PlayChess server and I think that I showed a little bit,
Perfect books (even via deep opening lines) were not so weak!
Btw, Do you want Me toı prove again ?) just do not say YES
Because nowadays we have better talents than Me...
Anyhow, let's enjoy over GAME...not over attacks!

Thanks for reading!

Best,
Sedat

[Anton101]

Thanks!

I think all we have histories in our life of people like this.

But, for sure...Better take care, and have fun!

[Sedat Canbaz]

Thanks!

I think all we have histories in our life of people like this.

But, for sure...Better take care, and have fun!

Agreed...

Anyhow let Me say please a few more words...

1st of all,
I like your way of working, really!
You are very good and kind man!
And we need more people like you!

On other hand,
I like a lot RaptoRa, plus LittleBeast!
Plus many other chess engines as well..
And I noticed your good behaviour, plus
Eduard..you released as publicly for free!
While some others authors could keep such
Super strong engines as private..!

Sure we are here online, but anyhow...
My job (exc. our hobby chess), my all life
Was to work with people, from all over the
World...sure mainly from Germany, Russia,
England etc. I mean I have some experience
Understanding who are good who are bad...

Continuing...

Actually the real problem is that (in our hobby),
There are some programmers, who blame testers!
Ok.. our job is not perfect..after all
We are all humans and we may make mistakes...but in
Case of mistakes..the programmers had to correct us
But all in friendly way...if wrong..we may replay test..

Btw, what happened in Outskirts forum,
I organized my 1st Duel: Book vs Experience
Unofficial member is started to attack me...
And the real problem was that (in my eyes):
Marco was protecting Deeds (Unofficial)
For what ? even I was not aware that Deeds and
Unofficial are same guy... anyhow, now is clear that
Marco and Deeds are good friends.. no problem...
But anyhow,
Theirs funny, unprofessional actions are recorded!

Ah one thing more,
Just when the same Unofficial started to attack
Oliprog and Peter, sure then everything is changed!
Unofficial (Deeds) is banned...Anyhow, I think that
Forums rules have to be same for all!

Just my 2 cents over these issues )

Greetings

[Anton101]

Life is about public relations, addition and subtraction. Why not live in peace, when we are passionate about this? There are users who know more, others less, well, as in any activity, as in any community. And there are the misfits, those who could be, but choose not to be.

At the end of the day, it's just about living one day at a time.

Regards.

[deeds]

DeeDs techniques are best techniques to train engines, believe it or not, but there is already a loooot of evidence of this...

Thank IbaiBuR ! I was and i'm still working on experience file format v3 so i didn't reply to your post in time, héhé loool

I must admit that between my LS1 (Eman experience vs Eman only) and my LS11 (in progress...), I tested several settings and sparring-partners to better help Eman and the other engines to learn. I also learned loool

I know you (Sedat) have been testing openings books for so much years, thats your field for sure and you have expertise there, but not with learning engines, you already demonstrated that.

Yes, Sedat-like people have already demonstrated that learning engines weren't their field.

But the main problem is that they present their results as truthful, fair play, etc. When this was not the case, I pointed out their lies with evidence. When daily testers have lied several times they become liars. They deserve this "name and shame" topic.

Now we all know Sedat is unable to properly set a tourney with learning engines (training mode, concurrency>1, foreign exp file) and Sedat lied to people (renamed exp files, deleted exp files, cumulated results of virtual book) with his unfair/wrong results about learning engines.

[deeds]

...he (DeeDs) definitely does not have a good character, and very direct and sharp...

I admit that I basically dislikes fanatics of non-playing engines with their opening books full of foreign engine moves.

When they reduce the strength of the playing engines by settings from another time, my "appreciation" gets worse.
In 2023, there are still daily testers with 1 thread/engine loool

Of course, I no longer have any pity for those :
- who lie about the quality of learning engines
- who still wonder if the experience files have an influence on the engines (=they insult Kelly, Khalid, Andrea, Marco, etc. by doing that)
- who anonymize the experience files (by renaming them, deleting them, etc.)
- who want to use an experience file with any engine (they have no idea about experience file formats / compatibilities, etc.)

With Sedat-like people, it's easy to show evidences of their lies because they don't train engines, they don't understand experience data, they haven't knowledge on learning features, they still use the default settings (training mode, only 70-75% conformity with experience data), they don't understand anything on topics where engine's trainers share their experience/knowledge, they are perfect targets.

...I believe that he represents the highest authority in the knowledge of self-learning and the training of related files...
...I have witnessed firsthand in various forums, comprewso mine how many people have distorted his methods and polluted his explanations...

Over time, I realized that I was not suitable for public discussions because there are people who see learning engines as a threat to their daily routine.

We all understand that Sedat-like people will refuse to admit the superiority of learning engines (dynamic chess versus static) because they won't lose a century of book tests, they won't change their daily routine of updating their book rankings, they are not going to learn the uses and settings of the learning engines, they have missed the train of engine's training, it is too late for them so it is better to discredit the learning feature by all means.

[deeds]

...I hope he and I are still on good terms (I try to joke with him to lighten the mood sometimes)...His posts and PMs are more than enough....

As long as I train Aurora (or HypnoS), it's a good sign...

...They still are a treasure trove of knowledge...
...His threads were invaluable to me in 2021...
...out of appreciation for his work -and out of respect which I still have...
... But no one should doubt his expertise regarding experience learning...

Thank Sarona ! In my opinion, those are the same who doubt about it and who don't train engines, with a special mention to those who have books in competition hi hi hi !

[deeds]

Ok these ones are Depth4 games from training with books but there are even more Depth4 games :
- merged vs pure experience data
- SF15.1 at TC 60+1 vs Eman exp. at fixed depth
- etc.

What a joke if someone creates again a book with Depth4 games which contains moves evaluated at D4 loool
But all the means are good for those who want to insult authors of learning engines, engine's trainers, learning feature, etc.

Ok now it's time for me to work again on exp v3...

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hey Mr. Chameleon !)

1st of all,
Instead to call you: Deeds, botunnet, Chris, Unofficial etc.
Btw, if I missed to mention your more FAKE accounts...forgive ME..LOL..
Anyhow, since today
I will prefer to call you with new nickname as 'Chameleon'

Because the 'Chameleon' name perfectly suits you!

Continuing...

Frankly again,
I've got BIG laughing but this time much LOADER )))
In same time, I've started to feel as a proud man!

Do you know why?
You stated so many time Sedat Sedat Sedat etc.
That I started to feel as very special man )))

On other hand, I wonder much,
Why the target is mainly 'Sedat' ?
Why are you afraid too much from Me?
Exc. Sedat, there are many other testers..
Really I'm so good ?) maybe that's why?)

Meanwhile, as other new lesson...
Not 1st but will be not as last lesson..
You know..I am just trying to help...
Sure if you have any lesson..
I will try to learn, but only in
Friendly way..if otherwise..please!

So...what I can suggest as new lesson' you more,
Actually you have BIG troubles to learn, but anyhow
Maybe your BRAIN will start to work after this posting:
Don't waste your time with so BULLSHIT comments..
If I was in your shoes, I'd prefer to work much much
Harder... PROOF us with SERIOUS tours and ratings!
That your testings are NOT in handicapped mode!
And later inform...sure then we may create a book
With your new produced HIGH-quality games...
And who know,? then maybe
You can sell and gain EURO..by selling your games too!

Till to this date BYE BYE

[Sedat Canbaz]

Life is about public relations, addition and subtraction. Why not live in peace, when we are passionate about this? There are users who know more, others less, well, as in any activity, as in any community. And there are the misfits, those who could be, but choose not to be.

At the end of the day, it's just about living one day at a time.

Regards.

A good point!

What I can add more, I think that all these
Conflicts and Double Standards are starting
Due to Jealousy, Race, Nationality, Religion etc.

And the BEST way is that, in my opinion:
As far as possible to stay far away from
These kind of BAD people...otherwise,
No way to be active and to love chess,
At least on PUBLIC chess forums...
Because the IDIOTS are everywhere!

Greetings