Chris Whittington wrote:Good. I'll take that as your acceptance of the obvious. The data was sent anonymously. There are about 50 panel members. The only valid deduction is that there's a 2% chance that Ed was the anonymous sender. Any increase on that 2% has to be down to personal bias.BB+ wrote:BB+ wrote:From this I infer that the breaching of the Panel privacy requirements was thus OK'd by Rajlich (cf. March 2015 publication on Rybka forum). ... [The purloining of said Panel discussions, and particularly subsequent "blackmail" attempts by Schröder therein, was a subject in Yokohama, and generally it seems that this type of behaviour is bound to ensure that the "Panel" is not going to be used in subsequent cases, at least not in the same form].Chris Whittington wrote:Secondly you have no idea at all as to the source of the panel discussion leak. ... Accusations against Ed merely show your bias.Your reading comprehension underwhelms me. I never accused (nor "stated firmly") Mr. Schröder of being the "source" of the Mar 2015 Rybka forum panel discussion leak (done by Trotsky/Whittington). I merely stated that Schröder had "blackmailed" various persons back in 2012/3 regarding this, and that the topic was brought up in Yokohama, particularly as to how this might affect the Panel in working with LOOP.Chris Whittington wrote:Yet, Mark Watkins states firmly it was Ed ...
I don't see why you did After all, it was part of your email (as Rajlich's representative) to Levy, and thus part of the procedural history. A better option would have been to put a sidenote/footnote somewhere on the page saying "MarkW disputes the veracity of this account"...Rebel wrote:BTW, now that you spoken out, I have removed the text you took offense.
I don't think the ICGA has any reason to accept Schröder and Whittington as representatives of Rajlich. If you want to drum up the "court" analogy again, leaking private documents (a la Trotsky/Whittington) would likely lead to disbarment, though admittedly the activities of Schröder [purloining these and then haranguing others about them] might only be seen as "contempt". Given these prior actions (among others), it seems perfectly reasonable to me that the ICGA would not accept either to act as Rajlich's representative.Chris Whittington wrote:If ICGA wish to negotiate with Vas Rajlich they should approach his negotiators, myself and Ed.
Yes, they did. If you recall the history, ChrisW contacted me regarding his temporary ban from the Panel, and I was then involved in some circular emails with the above four. In particular, Levy was consulted by the Secretariat regarding the application of ChrisW, particularly the subsequent difficulties therein.Rebel wrote: Did you [Harvey] (or Bob or Lefler) consulted David to allow Chris (a critic) in or not?
This is not my recollection. My opinion was that the ICGA should "move forward" (end the Panel Investigation) regarding the 2006-7 entries, and then if Rajlich had not sufficiently addressed the situation by (say) the next WCCC, then actions regarding later entries should be contemplated. I don't think I was ever eager to have the Panel "investigate R3" (even if I had already done lots of work vis-a-vis the R3/IPPOLIT), one reason being that it was not freely available to all Panel members.Rebel wrote:And you guys were deaf for Watkins plea to investigate R3 first
Nevertheless, the terms: purloining, haranguing and blackmail, do indicate some form of biased thinking about Ed
Ed Schroeder has a reputation for being calm, cautious and conciliatory, it takes quite a lot to get him angry. I for one do not accept your characterisations, and, anyway, this is about an unjust verdict against an innocent programmer as more and more readers agree. Decoys and diversions into character assessments of those arguing are probably just chaos-makers and the process would be quicker and less unpleasant if we ALL refrained. At least here, on the one forum with a reputation for the possibility of reasoned and constructive argument between those of different views.
There were NOT "about 50 panel members". There were maybe 15 that participated, a total of 34 were approved.
For blackmail, do you know what it means? It would seem not.